The best division for 1vs1

[Jockermann]

Hello guys.

I will start with the fact that I am a fan of the Wargame series game. I was delighted that the SDN44 game came out. I try to bite her somehow but noticed that the game looks a little different here, more aggressive considering the front line. I am mainly interested in fighting 1vs1. For this moment I am trying different variants vs AI medium and it looks different. For example, I tried to find a game style for the 12 SS, but given the fact that PHASE A is very important in every game, I gave up 12SS because it has big shortcomings in this phase of the game. With Axis I also played 17ss (pretty good) 3fj, 92, 352 and 21div (some of the allied too) but still can not find my style of play and noticed that a large part of the division is weak to 1vs1 or not at all .

So the question to you. Which divisions pay particular attention to 1vs1 and why? (Allied and axis) Which divisions dominated the ranked 1v1 matches, and why?
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At first, I think Allied divisions are better than Axis. Maybe because they are more complete and have fewer shortcomings.

Sorry for my English.

 

[Max_Damage]

3fsj, 2inf or 101 ab? Canada or scottish as well.

 

[local-festival]

Well, @ZhukoDim, one of the best players in this game, sports 2nd Infantry, aka Indian Head. I think you should look into direction of this deck.

 

[Jockermann]

Well, @ZhukoDim, one of the best players in this game, sports 2nd Infantry, aka Indian Head. I think you should look into direction of this deck.

I've noticed that playing Allied divisions is easier. So not to pay attention to the German divisions? Maybe 17SS, 3fj or 91?

 

[local-festival]

I've noticed that playing Allied divisions is easier. So not to pay attention to the German divisions? Maybe 17SS, 3fj or 91?

Well, I myself not a very prominent player, but @ZhukoDim always offers me a few tips here and there. He's a really welcoming person in this regard, you can try ask him for a basic couching, he's always around to help.

 

[Harold Alexander]

Yeah, magnificent and super professional Zhukodim will explain you how 2 play with 2nd Indianhead, just ask him.

 

[Kampfkekskrieger]

What you can do in Phase A ist a lot! even with 70 points. The most 'beginner friendly' Axis division is Greyhound and 3.Fsj, because its much easier to survive the first phases than the late Phase C if your faction is not optimized for that.
If you just survive the start, you have a good chance to win the game, once Phase B starts.

The start is very sensible (no matter which faction, its easy to loose the first units, so skill>economy) , with 3.fsk you have 85(!) starting points and still 145 in C, so you are both capable to win the early and the lategame (is a sure win for you imo). But what I like the most is the Panzer Lehr (though slightly with 17.SS and 91.LL, ah just love them all), because the Pumas can take out phase A and phase B tanks, with some coordination (See here for example replay :
http://files.sd-replays.net/replayfiles/2519065011421555129-96cb5c4c-8df7-4d6a-b829-1ed643cc1498.zip), so if you survive half of Phase A, you will surely come into B, and then you are sure to win in C, also, Phase A is easier to micro, so you have an easier time to micro the weaknesses in Phase A out, instead of having to do it with a big mob.

So my veto is 'first the challenge, then the pleasure'. I like both.

PS: I find it also more easy to survive B with some quality units with less eco, because you are likely to kill more than you pay because you have already have some units to work together at that stage.

 

[TGApples]

3fsj, 2inf or 101 ab? Canada or scottish as well.

I'd add 21 Panzer, 12 SS and France to this list.

Others are viable, but more challening and/or work best on the right map with the right opponent... and work poorly on the wrong map with the wrong opponent. Poles can work great against 3 FSJ on a map with a bit of space, for example. Guards too.

 

[LKHERO]

I'd add 21 Panzer, 12 SS and France to this list.

Others are viable, but more challening and/or work best on the right map with the right opponent... and work poorly on the wrong map with the wrong opponent. Poles can work great against 3 FSJ on the right map, for example. Guards too.

For I second I thought I read "just got to avoid the HS129", I almost spit my coffee. Thank god you edited that.

 

[TGApples]

For I second I thought I read "just got to avoid the HS129", I almost spit my coffee. Thank god you edited that.

I <3 edits.

Poles have suprisingly good AA and fighters for A. Gotta love the hurricane!

 

[LKHERO]

I <3 edits.

Poles have suprisingly good AA and fighters for A. Gotta love the hurricane!

I think the biggest problem I have with the Hurricane is its speed. It pretty much has to fly CAP the entire time or its complete garbage. Mustangs might be slightly better, because of the sheer quantity you get with them. However.. the HE is a problem.

Poles are.. OK in the air because of the Bofors and ASF cards, but its nothing special to write home about.

 

[Jockermann]

As in the Wargame game, I like to play with a counterattack. I often like to quickly reach some front lines, strengthen my position and wait for the attack. As the enemy attacks, I try to select units to be able to counter this attack and push myself. If economics allows, then on other sections of the front, I also try to attack where possible. And I try to do it fast. That's why 3FJ is not my favorite because the game is based on infantry. Really 3FJ is the only good choice for 1vs1 for the Germans?

 

[LKHERO]

As in the Wargame game, I like to play with a counterattack. I often like to quickly reach some front lines, strengthen my position and wait for the attack. As the enemy attacks, I try to select units to be able to counter this attack and push myself. If economics allows, then on other sections of the front, I also try to attack where possible. And I try to do it fast. That's why 3FJ is not my favorite because the game is based on infantry. Really 3FJ is the only good choice for 1vs1 for the Germans?

Like others have said, 3rd FSJ, 12.SS, 21.Pz, maybe Windhund on some maps. I posted a tier list earlier this week, people apparently disagreed, then came in this thread and posted the same divisions I did. Top hilarity IMO.

 

[Max_Damage]

Nooo just not windhunt. Just played aa pretty open map with a very good canadian player. It was pretty terrible i had to be on my toes the whole game. Sure i rushed some territory in A and early B but with large losses early because AT guns always kill more points of 20 mms then 20mms kill at guns. The only way to handle RAMs is AT stuka which saved me in A/B. I owe the game to this plane, really.

Late B i was stopped and driven back and i had to rely on expensive infnatry to hold my half and actually 2 x elite pak40 to destroy enemy shermans and wolverines. And yeah my panzer windhunt is worse then his infantry canadian in phase B tanks .

17 pdr and hedgegrow camper wolverines pretty much made my panthers semi useless in C. The hedge line just stopped me and i was lucky to bomb 17 pdrs before they got my panthers. Panthers killed some. But lucky vet firefly killed me a panther from the front and a staghound sideshot me another in the hedges which was a funny surprise. The game ended with me killing 3k for 4k loss and being on the backfoot but luckily with a draw ~1000 vs 1200.

Honestly i would like to see 21 pzdiv and 12 pzdiv work vs good canadian players even on the open map. I dont see it happening anytime soon tbh. I really dont think axis divisions are any good, only 3fsj and only if the AT planes work. Expensive infantry and bad phase A/B tanks are the bane of my existence. maybe the tiger is good for b in 12th.. but then any division which has 17 pdr will be able to lay the trap EASY. And there are lots of such divisions.

With axis pz divisions it is you who has to think and make a play. The opponent just has to do what he always does and pay attention like he always does.

 

[Magni56]

3rd Canadian and 2nd Infantry are the best all-rounders on the Allied side imo, with 15th Scots not too far behind and imo being one of the most newbie-friendly decks in the game.

On Axis side, 3. Fallschirm rules, though Windhund and Hitlerjugend are both also very strong once you're accustomed to their playstyle, and the 352. can be damn powerful on some maps.

Though frankly, all divisions are overall quite viable and even the "weaker" picks like Guards Armored or 716. can more than pull their weight in the hands of a decent player.

 

[Lomak]

Replay please @Max_Damage

 

[LKHERO]

Nooo just not windhunt. Just played aa pretty open map with a very good canadian player. It was pretty terrible i had to be on my toes the whole game. Sure i rushed some territory in A and early B but with large losses early because AT guns always kill more points of 20 mms then 20mms kill at guns. The only way to handle RAMs is AT stuka which saved me in A/B. I owe the game to this plane, really.

Late B i was stopped and driven back and i had to rely on expensive infnatry to hold my half and actually 2 x elite pak40 to destroy enemy shermans and wolverines. And yeah my panzer windhunt is worse then his infantry canadian in phase B tanks .

17 pdr and hedgegrow camper wolverines pretty much made my panthers semi useless in C. The hedge line just stopped me and i was lucky to bomb 17 pdrs before they got my panthers. Panthers killed some. But lucky vet firefly killed me a panther from the front and a staghound sideshot me another in the hedges which was a funny surprise. The game ended with me killing 3k for 4k loss and being on the backfoot but luckily with a draw ~1000 vs 1200.

Honestly i would like to see 21 pzdiv and 12 pzdiv work vs good canadian players even on the open map. I dont see it happening anytime soon tbh. I really dont think axis divisions are any good, only 3fsj and only if the AT planes work. Expensive infantry and bad phase A/B tanks are the bane of my existence. maybe the tiger is good for b in 12th.. but then any division which has 17 pdr will be able to lay the trap EASY. And there are lots of such divisions.

With axis pz divisions it is you who has to think and make a play. The opponent just has to do what he always does and pay attention like he always does.

Replay? I'd love to see what you're experiencing.

 

[Turtle313]

Like others have said, 3rd FSJ, 12.SS, 21.Pz, maybe Windhund on some maps. I posted a tier list earlier this week, people apparently disagreed, then came in this thread and posted the same divisions I did. Top hilarity IMO.

Don´t know why you have that feeling. But most of your "tier listing" is imho correct and most posters after you seemed to agree with some minor changes (which u also asked for, stating you don´t wan´t to educate rather than discuss this topic and with scentences like this:

"Lastly, it's fine that people disagree and I encourage you to do, but please explain why you disagree. Thanks "

Well, the people who "respectfully disagreed" then did say nothing to the subject i would just advise to ignore, it´s like the Facebook button (don´t know how it is called, i hate that shit) build for people who can´t argue at all, just to give them a feeling of being part.
I also got "disagreed" for asking a question...so don´t give a shit about that.

 

[LKHERO]

Don´t know why you have that feeling. But most of your "tier listing" is imho correct and most posters after you seemed to agree with some minor changes (which u also asked for, stating you don´t wan´t to educate rather than discuss this topic and with scentences like this:

"Lastly, it's fine that people disagree and I encourage you to do, but please explain why you disagree. Thanks "

Well, the people who "respectfully disagreed" then did say nothing to the subject i would just advise to ignore, it´s like the Facebook button (don´t know how it is called, i hate that shit) build for people who can´t argue at all, just to give them a feeling of being part.
I also got "disagreed" for asking a question...so don´t give a shit about that.

It's the internet. Forum warriors gonna forum.

 

[Max_Damage]

http://files.sd-replays.net/replayfiles/2519060326002941018-074c7994-bad3-45b0-8d7d-dee6cbdb1791.zip