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I'm interested in parameters of the leaders in Victoria - there will be used system from EU 2 ?

Who will be the best commander in the game? Helmuth von Moltke ( older ), Robert Edward Lee or maybe Winfield Scott ?
 
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I think Stonewall Jackson was better than Lee.

Yeah, but the main problem with Stonewall Jackson is that he died in 1863 in Chancellorsville battle ( Greatest CSA victory ), so he couldn't show he's true potential - what if Lee had him at Gettysburg? Pickett charge wasn't an option, and Stonewall could change it - his campaing in Shenandoah valley was really great !
 

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My bet is on Sir Douglas Haig. :D :D :p
 

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Well,

very good question and i would like to add something = why not including a nice little portrait of the fellow? Like they did in civil war generals 2...adds a lot of flavour to the game.

about the best commander, I would like to say that Lee proove himself to be the best army general. I really think that Jackson had the biggest potential because he was younger, perhaps he would have been also an excellent army general but never got the chance to prove so.

I would say the 2 commanders fall in the class "excellent", but take into account that an army general is still something completely different...
 
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about the best commander, I would like to say that Lee proove himself to be the best army general
In the end Lee won, thus he cant be best commander.
 

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Originally posted by AlexanderG
In the end Lee won, thus he cant be best commander.

Two considerations. It's not due to the fact that Lee had to surrender his army that he was a bad general. He had a very long combat record, didn't got dismissed. He held Grant at bay as long as possible but in the end was surrounded from all directions to the following =

The confederate defeat was not directly related with the performances of the army of North Virginia (Lee's Army). It was the consequence of the slow stabbing knive on the southern Belly (New Orleans, Vicksburg), then followed by Shermans march to the sea and in the end Shermans march north to confront Lee's army from 2 and 3 sides.

The Anaconda plan wasn't invented by either Grant nor Sherman!
 

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also I made several attempt to introduce the new aspect of War cabinet.

You can give orders to your Army Generals and other independent Generals (like corpses or divisions).

The Army Generals are the most important and are on top of a set of corpses. An independent General has a smaller corps or division under his command (8.000-12.000 men).

Now the aspect of the army is important, it easely can consist out of 50.000-100.000 soldiers. The army needs an overlaying supervisor that gives orders and manages it corpses. These orders came from f.e. the president "capture Vicksburg, defend Atlanta"... and had a very clear objective.
The corpses get their orders from the army headquarters.

What's the benefit =

- you can always consult your forces and asses their condition. So you can be involved if you want BUT you give your most important orders to the army general that translates the task to the corpses and they will move independently. So less micromanagement,

- you can either attach or detach a corps to an army, balancing easely the strength of the war theather and so avoiding micro management,

- working with generals gives the game a more "human" aspect. In reality the generals had their own mind towards orders (sir, my troops are not ready yet) and often trough bad luck the plan failed (like a train broke down or supply depot was empty).

perhaps it's not possible for Victoria, but Paradox should take this seriously into consideration. All this dragging around with units annoys me sometimes, because the chance of deviations from the original battle plan is zero.

And it would give the game a more "war game - glory of victory" feeling, being able to watch what the corpses are doing. See how the theather is developing, this is really exiting. In EU2 and HOI I find battle resolution plain dull,
 
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Originally posted by Wilhelm II
Hindenburg and Ludendorff.

Hindenburg got to much credit, Ludendorf was a bit better but not really a great general.

I suggest to visit the "most overrated general" treath in the history forum. Of course, Lee was also ripped apart. ;)
 

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Who was the famous British general that popped up in just about every affair the British Empire was involved with... Kitchener? He seemed very effective in dealing with all sorts of native/foreign conflicts throughout the era.

I wonder if personalities that drove the colonial engine will be included, like Cecil Rhodes (no general, but a tireless driver of British colonialism in Southern Africa) or Charles 'Chinese' Gordon (another Brit who travelled the world getting into scrapes 'til they caught up with him in Khartoum).
 

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Originally posted by Wooglin
Spruce: "The Army Generals are the most important and are on top of a set of corpses"

I could not agree more! :D

Woogie

:D LOL, you're the first giving opinion about this idea and you're able to turn it into a joke! Splendid :D