The Balkans

[unmerged(16020)]

Ah, you're going to code them? That's great, thanks.

 

[adnan]

I'm doing some research on Serbian political scene and I need help. I need someone from Serbia to give me some points about this political parties: SPS, DS, DSS, SRS, SPO, VMSZ/SVM, Liberals of Serbia, GSS, DA, Koalicija Vojvodina, Nova Srbija, G17+, SDP, JUL and DPS, SNPCG, NCG and LSCG from Montenegro.

 

[unmerged(16020)]

I can give you the leaders for most of them. Also, the DOS (Democratic Opposition of Serbia) is a coalition of many small parties including DSS.

 

[adnan]

I can give you the leaders for most of them. Also, the DOS (Democratic Opposition of Serbia) is a coalition of many small parties including DSS.

I have leaders, but I wanted to know which are radical, democratic, nationalists etc.

BTW are you using same ideologies and personalities as in HoI?

 

[unmerged(16020)]

I have leaders, but I wanted to know which are radical, democratic, nationalists etc.

BTW are you using same ideologies and personalities as in HoI?

Democratic ones will be the same, but the fascist and communist ones will change. There aren't that many national socialist nations any more!

 

[unmerged(20760)]

Here is something from a forum I visit, its cirillic but you should be able to read it, and you should get the information you need.

"Однос је око 28% за крајњу десницу (СРС, ССЈ-НСС)
више од 1,000.000 али мање од 1,100.000 гласова. Ту се слободно међу њима размењује 100-200 хиљада гласова, с тиме што неких добрих 100-200 хиљада ако не и више може да се прелије у следећу групу.

Око 28% за умерену десницу и исто толико, или пар хиљада мање, гласова колико претходна група (преко милион али испод 1,100.000), ту су ДСС, СПО-НС и Човићева ДА. Одатле се исто могу прелити неки гласови у горњу групу, а неких 100-200 хиљада исто тако циркулише слободно међу странкама које су ту набројане.

25% за центар-левицу (?) која мање више шурује са крајњом левицом и центар-десницом. Ту су Г17++СДП, ДС+ДЦ+СДУ+ГСС или 950.000 гласова, ту малтене нема ни линије да би се знало где престаје једно а где почиње друго. Члан Г17 може бити у штабу ДС или обрнуто, члан ДС говорити у име Г17. Једино се деле на то што бирачи Г17+ сматрају своју странку некомпромитованом и то су углавном разочарани бирачи ДС који своју странку кажњавају због њених афера. Размена од мање више 300-400 хиљада гласова између две опције и неких добрих 100-150 хиљада (углавном мањинских народа) са следећом опцијом.

9% за крајњу или праву левицу ("Толеранција", Отпор, Реформисти Војводине, Одбрана и Правда, Либерали Србије, Лабуристи итд.) заједно око 350.000

8% за Слобину левицу (која себе назива "патриотском левицом" мада је питање шта су у ствари, десница сигурно нису, нешто као ДПС-СДП у Црној Гори, реформисани комунисти-опортунисти) 300.000 гласова (СПС, СНС, ЈУЛ)"

 

[h345]

i cant read that s**t

 

[unmerged(15893)]

No offense SteVuk, but no, I can't read it or get ANY information from it.

This is an english-speaking forum. I'm sorry, but if nobody can read it, it will not help us.

If it is important/good, please summarize it in english for us. Thank you.

 

[unmerged(20760)]

No, I meant Adnan should be able to read it, since he asked for info on the various Serbian parties.

 

[adnan]

Marty & h345, I asked someone from Serbia to post about their political parties so I can sort Serbian ministers and shadow goverments. SteVuk posted and because I understand it he wanted to save time on translating it on english. Anyway if you insist I can translate it for you.

 

[unmerged(20760)]

Montenegro is a bit more complicated, since there it is more important where they stand as to the pro-independence or pro-union options, rather then left or right.
But here is how I would put them.

DPS & SDP would be "Sloba's or Milo's left".
SNP & LSCG would be centre-left.
NS & SNS would mild right.

There are other parties in montenegro, but these are the one's in parlament.

 

[unmerged(15893)]

Marty & h345, I asked someone from Serbia to post about their political parties so I can sort Serbian ministers and shadow goverments. SteVuk posted and because I understand it he wanted to save time on translating it on english. Anyway if you insist I can translate it for you.

No, that's ok. I'm very sorry, I thought it was aimed towards the whole board and that people should understand it. I'm an idiot

Sorry.

 

[adnan]

Well...

Quite intense few days for me, anyway I mastered knowledge of event coding. I used it to turn text into game parts and... I'm afraid you'll have to tell me did I suceed. I wanted to test events on my HoI but I realised that much work needs to be done (minister ID's, no unlimited time patch etc.) So here are coded events for SiCG and Albania, you try it. I hope they work. Bold parts need your attention

HoI Modern Day Scenario
Events for Albania
Written by Adnan


#########################################################################
#Radical elected as president in Serbia and Montenegro
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 501
	random = no
	country = ALB

	#Triggered by SER 74001

	name = "Radical elected as president in Serbia and Montenegro"
	desc = "On recent elections in Serbia, radical party won with waste majority. Their leader, Tomislav Nikolic is new Serbian president and radical party will create new government. During pre election speeches, this man promised that he would create 'Great Serbia'. His election had repercussions in many neighbouring countries, especially the ones that were affected with 'Great Serbia' plans in nineties. "
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Bad news"
		command = { type = warentry  value = 15 }
		command = { type = manpowerpool  value = 5 }
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Autonomy given to Kosovo
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 502
	random = no
	country = ALB

	#Triggered by USA 94000

	name = "Autonomy given to Kosovo"
	desc = "When US Army withdrew from Kosovo, autonomy status was given to province in order to prevent Serbian government from making decisions at Kosovo expense. This decision was not welcomed in the rest of Serbia and Montenegro, but Albanians on Kosovo celebrated and few incidents happened with few windows broken on Serbian houses."
	style = 0
	
	action_a = {
		name = "Kosovo becomes autonomous region"
		command = { type = dissent  value = -10 }
		command = { type = aligment  which = democratic  value = 90 }
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Serbia sends Army in Kosovo
#########################################################################

event = {
	
	id = 503
	random = no
	country = ALB

	#Triggered by YUG 74003

	name = "Serbia sends Army in Kosovo "
	desc = "After few minor incidents in autonomous region Kosovo, Serbia and Montenegro decided to send their Special Forces to restore order. With this action they violated Kosovo autonomy. During their mission Serbian Army commits numerous crimes against Albanian people. It is our duty to protect Albanian people in Kosovo!"
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Demand from Serbia to retreat army from Kosovo"
		command = { type = dissent  value = -5 }
		command = { type = warentry  value = 30 }
	}

	action_b = {
		name = "Send help to Albanians in Kosovo"
		command = { type = supplies  value = -500 }
		command = { type = manpowerpool  value = -10 }
		command = { type = dissent  value = 5 }
	}

	action_c = {
		name = "We will not interfere"
		command = { type = dissent  value = 15 }
		command = { type = removecore  which = 752 } # Lose Pristina
	}
}

#########################################################################
#President speaks on XVII Parliament session 
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 504
	random = no
	country = ALB

	date = { day = 27  month = september  year = 2005 }

	name = "President speaks on XVII Parliament session "
	desc = "After XVII Parliament session ended, Albanian president Name Surname took the floor. His speech was short but very intense. He referred to Albanian economy and foreign diplomacy and at the end he started to talk about Albanian people in Kosovo. He attacked Serbian government for ignoring Kosovo autonomy and their military operations on Albanian civilians there. President also commented recent stories about "Great Serbia" plans and Serbian threats on Albanian independence. He promised that Albania would not turn from our people in Kosovo."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Great speech!"
		command = { type = warentry  value = 20 }
		command = { type = trigger  which = 74004 }
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Refugees from Serbia
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 505
	
	trigger = {
		control = { province = 752 data = YUG }
		garrison = { country = YUG province = 750 size = 1 }
	}

	random = no
	country = ALB

	date = { day = 1  month = november  year = 2005 }
	deathdate = { day = 1  month = may  year = 2006 }


	name = "Refugees from Serbia"
	desc = "After many days of suffering and torture in Kosovo, first convoys with Albanian refugees started coming in Albania. They sold everything they owned for cheap price and escaped to Albania to save their lives. In their stories there are many horrible moments, we must help them as much as we can."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Create refugee centres and warn Serbia"
		command = { type = supplies  value = -500 }
		command = { type = warentry  value = 20 }
	}

	action_b = {
		name = "Create only refugee centres"
		command = { type = supplies  value = -1000 }
		command = { type = dissent  value = 5 }
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Albanians suffer in Kosovo
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 506

	trigger = {
		event = 505
	}

	random = no
	country = ALB

	date = { day = 16  month = july  year = 2006 }


	name = "Albanians suffer in Kosovo"
	desc = "Albanian suffrage in Kosovo has been permanent for over six months. Many Albanians are killed and even more escaped to save their lives. We have sent them as much help as we can, but maybe it is time for different approach now. Yesterday Serbian Army levelled to the ground one Albanian village and our people in Kosovo beg for help, even military. Even our citizens started to demonstrate against government because our actions aren't appropriate to situation."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "We will use force!"
		command = { type = manpowerpool  value = -15 }
		command = { type = delete_unit  which = -1 }
		command = { type = trigger  which = 74005 } 
	}

	action_b = {
		name = "We will try to solve this peacefully"
		command = { type = dissent  value = 15 }
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Serbia demands our withdrawal
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 507
	random = no
	country = ALB
	
	#Triggered by YUG 74005

	name = "Serbia demands our withdrawal "
	desc = "Serbian foreign ministry demands that we withdraw our troops from their territory. They are saying that this is their internal policy and that we have no business there. Kosovo is part of their territory and therefore is under their rule. We are given 24 hours to leave Kosovo and withdraw to Albania or they will use force."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Never!"
		command = { type = trigger  which = 74006 } # YUG
	}
	
	action_b = {
		name = "We will leave"
		command = { type = dissent  value = 10 }
		command = { type = removecore  which = 752 } # Lose Pristina claims
		[B]command = { type = add_division  which = [div_type] value = [brigade_type] }[/B]
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Albanians in Macedonia tortured
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 508
	random = no
	country = ALB

	#Triggered by U04 52001

	name = "Albanians in Macedonia tortured "
	desc = "Using the opportunity, Macedonian government started various military actions against Albanian minority in west parts of Macedonia. Many Albanians were arrested and one Albanian village is destroyed. Our people there needs our help, we must not repeat our mistakes! There are volunteers willing to go and fight for our people in Macedonia"
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Send army to help Albanians in Macedonia"
		[B]command = { type = add_division  which = [div_type] value = [brigade_type] }[/B]
		command = { type = war  which = U04 }
		command = { type = trigger  which = 52002 }
	}

	action_b = {
		name = "We can't afford two wars"
		command = { type = dissent  value = 5 }
	}
}

#########################################################################
#War versus Serbia
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 509
	random = 0
	country = ALB

	#Triggered by YUG 74004, 74005 and 74006

	name = "War versus Serbia"
	desc = "This morning Serbian foreign ministry interrupted all connections with our government. Serbian Army entered behind our borders and torched Albanian flags on border, raising Serbian ones instead. Our efforts to avoid violence and destruction were not enough, war seems to be unavoidable. Our troops are brave, our generals are ready. Our people will not be vanquished and our army will liberate those who are under occupation for decades."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "So war it is!"
		command = { type = secedeprovince  which = ALB  value = 752 }
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Kosovo is part of Albania
#########################################################################

event = {
	
	id = 510
	random = no
	country = ALB

	#Triggered by YUG 74005 and 74006

	name = "Kosovo is part of Albania"
	desc = "Finally our wishes have come true and our effort has paid off. Serbian leaders have realised that they can not go against the will of people. Albanian people have won and from today they are proud Albanian citizens. This day will be remembered and celebrated forever as day when people have won against guns and threats."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Great news!"
		command = { type = supplies  value = 500 }
		command = { type = manpowerpool  value = 15 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince  which = ALB  value = 752 }
	}
}

 

[adnan]

Events for Serbia and Montenegro

HoI Modern Day Scenario
Events for Serbia and Montenegro
Written by Adnan

#########################################################################
#Election Results
#########################################################################
event = { 
	id = 74001
	random = no
	country = SER
	date = { day = 15  month = december  year = 2003}
	
	name = "Election results"
	desc = "After four years of struggling, people of Serbia and Montenegro, disappointed with their current government elect ultranationalist president Tomislav Nikolic. This man leaded quite interesting campaign, promising that he will renew plans for 'Great Serbia'. He was police officer until war in Croatia started, when he joined volunteers and started fighting against Croatian army. He became known as successor of Vojislav Seselj, in his position of radical party leader"
	style = 0
	
	action_a = {
		name = "Our country needed new leader!" # Accept
		command = { type = aligment  which = fascist  value = 60 } 
[B]		command = { type = headofstate  which = [minister id] }
		command = { type = headofgovernment  which = [minister id]  }
		command = { type = foreignminister  which = [minister id]  }
		command = { type = chiefofstaff  which = [minister id] }[/B]
		command = { type = trigger  which = 501 } # ALB
	}
	
}

#########################################################################
#Autonomy given to Kosovo
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 74002
	random = no
	country = YUG
	
	#Triggered by USA 94000

	name = "Autonomy given to Kosovo"
	desc = "When US Army withdrawed from Kosovo, autonomy status was given to province in order to prevent Serbian government from making decisions at Kosovo expense. This decision was not welcomed in the rest of Serbia and Montenegro, but Albanians on Kosovo celebrated and few incidents happened with few windows broken on Serbian houses."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Kosovo becomes autonomous region"
		command = { type = supplies  value = -2500 }
		command = { type = dissent  value = 10 }
		command = { type = warentry  value = 15 }
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Kosovo incidents
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 74003
	random = no
	country = YUG
	
	date = { day =12  month = april  year = 2005 }

	name = "Kosovo incidents"
	desc = "During autonomy, life conditions on Kosovo became hard for Serb population. They were exposed to everyday harassment, and they were considered second order citizens. After moths of suffrage and fear for their lives, Serbian community in Kosovo asks official Belgrade to help them by sending Serbia and Montenegro Army in the region. What will we do to save our people from Albanian bullying in Kosovo?"
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Send Army to appease Albanian despotism"
		command = { type = dissent  value = -5 }
		command = { type = trigger  which = 503 } #ALB
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "We have to respect Kosovo autonomy"
		command = {type = dissent  value = +10 }
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Albania interfering
#########################################################################

event = {
	
	id = 74004
	random = no
	country = YUG

	#Triggered by ALB 504

	name = "Albania interfering"
	desc = "After Albanian parliament session, Albanian President X Y made a statement about our internal affairs. He attacked us for sending Army in Kosovo and threatens Kosovo autonomy and Albanian people there. He also spoke about our policy toward others minorities in Serbia and Montenegro and our planes to create 'Great Serbian State'. We should not tolerate this kind of interference in our internal policy."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "They have no rights to interfere our internal policy"
		command = { type = warentry  value = +25 }
	}

	action_b = {
		name = "This is insult! Our answer is war!"
		command = { type = trigger  which = 509 }
		command = { type = war  which = ALB }
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Albanian Army crosses our border without permission
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 74005
	random = no
	country = YUG

	#Triggered by ALB 506

	name = "Albanian Army crosses our border without permission"
	desc = "Early this morning two Albanian brigades crossed our border without our permission. They headed toward Pristine and on their way they destroyed several houses and occupied our barracks on border. Most of our soldiers in the area were taken as prisoners and some were killed.
At same time Albanian Prime minister issued declaration in which he says that he was listening Albanian people and that he reacted to protect them. He proclaimed Kosovo is now part of Albania. Serbian troops and police are declared intruders and they will be arrested as soon as possible.
These actions are impermissible, they are not respecting our borders and threaten our citizens. We should act immediately and defend our territorial integrity and sovereignty."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Our answer is WAR!"
		command = { type = dissent  value = - 5 }
		command = { type = trigger  which = 509 } #War versus  Albania
		command = { type = war  which = ALB }
	}

	action_b = {
		name = "Demand Albanian withdrawal"
		command = { type = dissent  value = 10 }
		command = { type = warentry  value = 20 }
		command = { type = trigger  which = 507 } #ALB
	
	action_c = {
		name = "We must respect Albanian people wish"
		command = { type = dissent  value = 50 }
		command = { type = trigger  which = 510 } #Kosovo is part of Albania
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Albania refuses to withdraw
#########################################################################

event = {

	id = 74006
	random = no
	country = YUG

	#Triggered by ALB 507

	name = "Albania refuses to withdraw"
	desc = "Despite our numerous tries, Albanian side didn't show any wish to solve this situation peacefully. Our diplomats headed with our foreign minister demanded their withdrawal from our territory but they refused to listen. I'm afraid there are very few things we can still do to solve this without force. We should teach Albanians a lesson and drive them out of our country."
	style = 0
	
	action_a = {
		name = "No more diplomacy! We will fight them out"
		command = { type = trigger  which = 509} # War versus Albania
		command = { type = war  which = ALB }
	}

	action_b = {
		name = "People wants them there"
		command = { type = dissent  value = 20 }
		command = { type = trigger  which = 510 } # Kosovo is part of Albania
	}
}

#########################################################################
#Albania declares war on Macedonia
#########################################################################
event = {

	id = 74007
	random = no
	country = YUG
	
	#Triggered by ALB 508

	name = "Albania declares war on Macedonia"
	desc = "Following many problems with Albanian terrorists and their continuos demands for independence, Macedonian government declared war against Albanian terrorists. They launched large military actions aiming Albanian villages in west. Soon after that, Albanian government declared war on Macedonia to protect Albanian minority. After few initial defeats, Albanian army undertakes great counter attack and now they are 20 kilometres before Skopje. We fight common enemy and it's our duty to help our Macedonian friends. What will be our action?"
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Invite Macedonia in anti-Albanian alliance"
		command = { type = trigger  which = 52001 } #Invitation for Macedonia
	}
	
	action_b = {
		name = "We can prevail alone"
		command = { type = dissent  value = 5 }
	}
}

 

[unmerged(19179)]

id like to propose a few things. like for kosova when it gets attacked by serbia, i think that it should have some kind of defensive force, possibly UCK(KLA) or TMK(KPC), which should be like 20,000-40,000 strong, in the form of militia. it would be weak but would slow the serb forces down a little. also if serbia montenegro and macedonia win then at least part of croatia would become part of serbia-mont. for bosnia at least republica srpska would join serbia. for albania it would possibly be occupied completely and albanian resistance in serbia and macedonia montenegro would be put down for good. if the other side wins then croatia possibly occupying vojvodina, and any other enemy territory it occupies at the end of the war. bosnia occupying novi pazaar and any other enemy territory occupied at the end. kosova becomes independant, macedonia either falls under albanian sway(becomes a puppet of albania or kosova) because of large albanian population take control of country, or if at the end of the war it is occupied by albania or kosova it becomes part of it. if they lose for montenegro they should either become ceded to whoever they are occupied by at the end of the war. if they are not occupied then they should become independant and fall under albanian sway(a puppet of either albania or kosova because albo minority leads government just like in macedonia). i think that the winners should be given choices of what they want. like say at the end of the war mont. is occupied by croatia, if they choose to cede it then dissent should rise because the newly occupied territory would be considered part of the population and they woould hate their occupiers. just a few thoughts that i thought would make the game better. thanks !

 

[unmerged(16020)]

Alright, that information is useful. I think we'll try to use it, if not by the alpha then by the beta.

 

[unmerged(26151)]

Just one idea, becouse Serbs are sometning like 40% in Bosnia and have republic in Bosnia (Repulbic of Srpska) they should at beggining decleare independance from Bosnia and Herzegovina, same things with Croats in Muslim-Croat part od Bosnia...

We should pay more attention to Bosnia, it's very interesting becouse it's vary multietnic, and Serbs hate Bosnian Muslims, Croats; Bosnian Muslims hate Serbs and Croats; Croats hate Bosnian Muslims, Serbs... Simply Balkan

 

[unmerged(16020)]

Just one idea, becouse Serbs are sometning like 40% in Bosnia and have republic in Bosnia (Repulbic of Srpska) they should at beggining decleare independance from Bosnia and Herzegovina, same things with Croats in Muslim-Croat part od Bosnia...

We should pay more attention to Bosnia, it's very interesting becouse it's vary multietnic, and Serbs hate Bosnian Muslims, Croats; Bosnian Muslims hate Serbs and Croats; Croats hate Bosnian Muslims, Serbs... Simply Balkan

We can't afford the country tags to have more than Montenegro and Kosovo as actual countries. If we add the Republic of Srpska, it will mean we'll have to take out some African country or something.

What else can happen? Do a lot of Serbians in Bosnia serve in the army? We could have them switch colors if we wanted to.

 

[unmerged(26151)]

War in Bosnia and Herzegovina stopped '95. All sides accepted Deyton Peace Aggreament. So now Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina have their own republic (government, president, army...) and Bosnian Muslims (they call themselves Bosniacs now) and Croats have another republic which they share. They call it Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Population:

Republic of Srpska: 1.513.127 (97% Serbs)
Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina: 2.122.153 (65% Muslims, 35% Croats)


This is very interesting country ( ) and it's perfect for HoI scenarios. It's better than Kosovo becouse Republic of Srpska have army (and air-force), Federation have army and he hate each other. That's why IFOR will never go from here. If they go we'll start new war. Balkan's mentality :wacko:


Bosnia and Herzegovina:

Serb army:

 

[unmerged(23487)]

Too bad the tags are so limited.