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serbs and croats dont like each other. i think the serbs would attack croatia in an instant. if u know anything about their history u know that the croats massacred the serbs during ww2, and that the serbs and croats committed many attrocities against each other during the break up of the former yugoslavia. so if war was breaking out in the balkans, i think the serbs, serbia in more specifically, would immediately attack croatia.
 

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Originally posted by MartyWolf
People, what do you guys think about Morris's idea?

I don't know. since the balkens will have no role in the "war" there must be something going on cause we want this mod to involve all areas! it sounded like if we went with his idea then there wouldn't be one.
 

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you doubt a new balkan war? macedonia just recently had a minor fight with albanian rebels just a few weeks ago. serbian police get wounded or killed almost on a weekly basis by albanian rebels in southern serbia( just outside of kosova). and the very thought of an independant kosova would drive serbia to war with the albanians, and the kosovars are willing to accept noithing less than independance. montenegro has been pushing for independance for a couple of yrs now and would be independant if not for the EU forcing them into a new union with serbia, and the imminent fear spread by supporters of the union that as soon as montenegro becomes independant then the albanians in the country would rebel and try to secede a chunk of its territory. bosnia is having problems trying to integrate the serbs in republika srpska, they still dream of the day when they will be joined to serbia. so war in the balkans is always ready to happen, all it takes is one man to stir the pot.

skenderbeu, si je shqipe, prej ka je?
 

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no i feel that there should be a war, but you were talking about one man can create this. who and what country is that person? maybe I could create an event where he rises up and thus throws the balkens into war!

when i said the "war" i meant the chines american war btw
 

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i dont like the idea of having a one alliance against another in the balkans, its just not the balkan way. its always been everyone for themselves. the only way two countries would ally, is if they were both fighting the same country at the same time and even then they would probably stab each other in the back after they were done fighting their common enemy. i like my idea, i think it would be a fun one to play.
 

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ok sorry. the one man can be a man like slobodan milosevic (but hes in the hague now for war crimes) or vojoslav seselj , a serbian nationalist, in serbia. among albanians, it could be supporters of a greater albania, and there are many that i know of. like skenderbeu said, he probably wouldnt be someone from albania though. if anything he would be someone like hashim thaci former leader of the kla and a political leader in kosova or another former kla leader ramush haradinaj, or maybe an albanian leader from macedonia like arben xhaferri who just recently asked for macedonia to be partitioned. but the most likely way for a war to start would be for kosova to be granted independance. this would starta chain reaction of events. albanians in southern serbia would want to be joined to kosova, republika srpska would want to be joined to serbia and pretty much everything else i listed earlier.
 

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Originally posted by nikaveli526
but the most likely way for a war to start would be for kosova to be granted independance. this would starta chain reaction of events. albanians in southern serbia would want to be joined to kosova, republika srpska would want to be joined to serbia and pretty much everything else i listed earlier.

That's my favorite idea yet, I think we're getting somewhere. I'm inclined to do this. I'd wait a few days for the other people who live in those countries to comment on how they feel about it.
 

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Unrest in the Balkans

Event for Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Greece, Albania etc..

The trouble in FYROM has been building up over the past few years, with threats of seperate states and nations like Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece looking on greedily. However Nato intervention in 2001 seemed to have resolved the situation and protected the intergrity of the state. However in the last few days fighting has broken out around Skopje, the government of FYROM has collapsed, and ethnic Albanians under Arben Xhaferri have declared themselves independant, using the name 'Bij i Shqiperi' - The Sons of Albania. Ethnic Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks and Macedonians have fled the capital as FYROM forces fight on. The events have heightened tensions in the recently independant Kosovo, and Serbian refugees are fooding over the Yugoslavian border from both countries telling of the horror that has been committed by both sides in the chaos.

a) We must protect our citizens and secure our borders.
- Declare war on FYROM
- Increase in divisions strength- volunteers
- break any links to Nato countries
- Get land rights (or whatever it is called in HOI) on FYROM

b) We will consult the other Balkan nations
- Increased relations with Bulgaria, Greece, Albania etc..

c) We have seen to much killing already, ask Nato to intervene.
-Desertation from divisions- as troops react to your decision.
-People unhappy for you to watch and not intervene.


This is just off the top of my head, change around at your pleasure. Have another event for FYROM which simulates the internal chaos - no need I think to have a seperate tag for an independant ethnic albanian state.

Then add more events and watch the Balkans descend into the bloodiest war yet seen. Possibly 4-5 nations fighting over the same bit of land, somewhat akin to the Balkan war in the early 20th century- was it 1912?


nikaveli526: Flas pak shqip, jam nga Angli. Kam punuar nga Shqiperi ne 1998-99. Jetua nga Lezhe, Puka dhe Fushe Arrez.
 

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about my balkans qualifications,i m from croatia,so i suppose i know a little situation...anyway,last few posts werent too bad...

as it is now (in my opinion):

FYROM would be a good point to start a war.Kosovo less likely with peacekeepers on it. Note that albanians today are 90% of kosovo population.in a year or so they will have a referendum for independance.nobody can deny them to join albania later if they want.
(although,i even heard theories that they would never join albania,because albania is much much porrer than kosovars (people from kosovo) and therefore they will establish another albanian state,capital prishtina;they will probably ally and cooperate with albania but not unite)
lets say for game purposes we suppose they will unite. Then,albanians in FYROM want to join new great albania.Macedonians,helped by Bulgarians (military aid;they aided them in last conflict) fight to preserve theirs country. Serbs and Montenegrins join in hope of recapturing Kosovo and ending Albanian threat once for all. (note : albanians are a serious problem even for montenegro. They are now about 6-8% of countrys population.if they continue to have natality like this...and remember,60 years ago serbs were about 60% of kosovo inhabitans)

at that point we would need to destabilize bosnia,(not to hard task,ahahah,country is de facto protectorate of international community,three nations all the time unite 2 vs 1 and then shift sides on all issues,from war pensions - 3 armies fought against each other for 4 years and now they all get pensions from the SAME state- to enviromental issues,not to menton languages,tv,etc)

if the war is to expand further. (beyond albanian vs. neighbours war)

NOTE : serbia wouldnt go in war against croatia directly,or vice cersa,in ANY way! nations are too shaterred,still recovering! at the present time relatons are slowly but constantly improwing their relations! although many people in both countries are indoctrinated still,many young people dont gove a damn about the war...only a total chaos could throw countries again in the war,that would be a 4th time in last 90 years!!

but,what is very imaginable,is cro and ser fighting indirectly - by supporting their offsest in bosnia. distribution should be like - serbs controlling banja luka,muslims (at the BEGGINING allied with bosnian croats) sarajevo,and croats mostar. Serbs would tend to connect over sarajevo,thus achieving their war plan of capturing 66% of bosnia, Muslims to expell another 2 sides from all of bosnia. At first croats would be satisfied to unite mostar county with croatia,but later (look at the geography) nationalism would rise remembering oldest croatian lands - in bosnia /these are or are not my opinions,i m only giving an idea based under possible (due to already seen circumstances) events/ so they would want to conquer western bosnia - banja luka in the game. As both croats and muslims see serbs as coquerors and genocidal in latest war,they would be cordial.BUT,as both serbs and croats see muslims as turkish intruders to theirs ancient lands,side shifting could be possible. only muslims and serbs should never be allied.

so croatia and serbia fighting indirectly could be possible,but not officialy and in their home countries.there is simply no reasons - minorities are assimilated/expelled in amount that they do not pose a threat to county they live in.some serbs are returning here(croatia).and a year ago in norther serbian province,vojvodina (with tradtionally strong hungarian and croatian minorities) hungarian and croatian were made second and third official languages.probably for 20 or 30 years war woudlnt be forgotten,but a new one is very not likely.The only reason could be international hate - but in the future we shall be both parts of a europe.

so i think we should concentrate on albania/kosovo/fyrom conflicts,eventual escalation in bosnia (possible).
and as someone rightfully pointed out,alliances idea was stupid.in balkans it always was everybody for themselves,against all each nations....
 

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The above post is quite plausible IMHO :)
And I too live in the Balkans, as you may have noticed ;)
 

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I like the idea about war in bosnia which does not include Serbia and Croatia in direct way. But you all overastimate Serbia( & Montenegro) We can not fight with Croatia Albania Kosovo Macedonia and someone said Montenegro in the same time. Neither we want to do it.

OK for Kosovo it is very possible. Majority of Serbs conciders Kosovo of old holy ground, ancient homeland because the first great serbian dynasty of Nemanjic was founded beetwen Pristina and Novi Pazar. And Albanians( Siptari) would not talk about anything else than indenpendency.

But Serbia will maybe maybe maybe sent some troop to help macedonian goverment but we will not declare war to Macedonia if Albanians win.

And if Montenegro become an indenpendent state ( not likely) Serbia would not do anything.

Some of Nikavelli`s ideas are great, but not tht with FYROM.

BOG CUVA SRBE
 

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for anyone here who doesnt know anything about the balkans, here is a pretty good article on it, and the prejudices, but its very long.

btw, again i dont appreciate the sns using the derogatory term siptari for albanians, u can use the english term everyone knows what it means that way. there was no reason for u to use it, no one here understands what that is. im not using derogatory terms for serbs or montenegrin or any other ethnic group. so again i would like to ask for u to not use such terms. im tryin to be cool about this but this is the second time im asking u nicely not to get personal. so please dont.
 

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i officially vote for nikaveli526's advent of vojoslav seselj. That would bring all the countries into war and would be pretty fun. however I'm not sure how realistic. can the balken people please say what you think