You'd only get the provinces from Rome southwards that way - same culture provinces never defect. It also requires sitting on them, which means he can't just hit them over and over.
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You'd only get the provinces from Rome southwards that way - same culture provinces never defect. It also requires sitting on them, which means he can't just hit them over and over.
I think all Milans provs belong in its culture group so it's a no-go.
And more of Earth falls beneath you well heeled boot. Carry on the incredible work!
That's not a great plan from a diplomat standpoint, since he could reduce them to OPM status, but it would require him to break alliances and likely to use diplomats to attack them. Not to mention that he'd need even more diplomats to annex them. Also it's not that much cheaper in war score.
What he should do is cut off the North from the South, and then hopefully those provinces might get cheaper. Maybe. Maybe not, I know distant overseas provs are cheaper, not really sure about non-distant overseas.
I got to admire the fighting spirit of the Mongol Khanates, no matter how badly they are outnumbered they are always ready to challenge the Iroquois.
Is that mod the one that looks a bit like a David Eddings Map? I'm too lazy to mod in the laziness
I guess so, most fantasy maps since Tolkien look similar. It's worth the effort, much more pleasant to the eye.
So, are you annexing Castille yet?
FEEDBACK
Enewald - Castile has two provinces, one more war after this one
Wayloss - That would be nice, I really need more warnings and guarantees, especially from the OPMs.
demokratickid - The steamroller is easy just too slow!
Kami, Tskb18, naggy, Kentti, Sirveri
Options against Milan are limited to simply taking these incrdeibly expensive provinces in peace deals.
Force release is incredibly inefficient as a use of diplomats for a late stage WC. Sirveri's analysis is correct. It'll cost anything up to three more diplomats to get the provinces.
Provincial defections potentially can work. Provinces will defect as long as they are not state culture. Culture group provinces do defect so Lombard provinces won't but Umbrian or Sicilian will. (I think we can trust naggy on the finer details here
) I looked at this very carefully during my first war with Milan to see if it was possible to grab all those Balkan provinces that way. Milan isn't lucky so it's not a bad idea (lucky nations have a x5 modifier on the MTTH) but...The event requires the target country to have 15WE and Milan has a cap at 14.83 - I cannot force Milanese WE higher so the defection event won't fire.
Also as naggy points out it's very timeconsuming and I don't have the time.
Lord Strange - More but not enough, then again it's never enough
Olaus Petrus - Admirable fighting spirit and in the case of the Golden Horde very long marching times
aldriq - They've still got two provinces
Chapter Seventy Two
Peace with the Golden Horde – April 1806
Once again the Horde offers a good but not excellent peace deal – this is 82 points but as there are several possibilities for war with the Horde I’ll take the opportunity to save a diplomat.
One important aspect of this deal is Kholm. Kholm gives me a border with Swedish Novgorod, a city that’s a key objective in breaking Swedish power. Sweden is still a couple of years from ending the truce but Denmark is out of truce and Gotland only months away. The potential for two quick wars against Sweden exists; neither minor will be annexed at this point.
14/06/1806 Martinique converts
War with Denmark – July 1806
Sweden honours its guarantee, the objective ideally Novgorod but any 100 point peace deal will do. Denmark is unlikely to be annexed unless Sweden turns out to be worth a lot less than I expect.
Having stormed Copenhagen the Danes offer 1200 ducats for peace. I accept immediately as otherwise I’ll have to keep my army there until it regains morale to knock out the Danish army which escaped to Fyn. With this peace deal my troops can regain morale and reinforce while marching to Norway.
The war with Sweden is bloody as the high tech Swedish armies don’t die easy but the overwhelming numbers mean for every Swedish army an Iroquois army can counter them while a second force takes provinces. Wenden and Novgorod are both worth more than 50 war score.
One tip for fighting Sweden, blockade the sea crossing to Finland. An army marching the long way around is out of commission for three months.
War with Corsica – December 1806
This of course is just another exercise in reducing Milan. Both Denmark and Corsica will survive. Demark because it’s guaranteed by Sweden, Corsica because it is part of the Empire. War aims are just generic take near 100 points worth of provinces.
Days later Chagatai is annexed and OPM France warns us against going to war. Around this time Ryazan became a vassal of the Golden Horde.
A new leader
The regular election throws up a diplo 8 diplomatic candidate – over a four year term he’s worth 1.2 diplomats more than my previous Stadtholder or an extra annexation. Sweden isn’t as difficult as Milan simply because the forts aren’t as large.
January 1807 and Bohemia warns us, this makes picking the next war carefully very important. The one thing I don’t want is to have two majors in the same war as I’ll only be able to count war score from battles once. Polotsk also warns me this month. It’s likely I’ll attack some otherwise harmless minor which doesn’t have many diplomatic connections or possibly Polotsk, also guaranteed by the Golden Horde as otherwise I’ll lose a chance to hurt the Horde.
Peace with Sweden - April 1807
May 29th Switzerland warns Iroquois, this is a nuisance as I was hoping to DOW Switzerland after starting a war to draw all the DOWs so that I can attack Milan again. I guess that option isn’t available.
Trinidad converts – 23/06/1807
At the start of July 1807, Milan is occupied barring one besieged province, the best peace deal is messy from the perspective of boundaries, there are too many provinces of 40+ war score value to get neat 100 point deals.
I’m ready for the next war…
Polotsk?
This would be war with Majors Bohemia and the Golden Horde as well as OPMs Polotsk, Switzerland and France. There are less nasty alternatives such as peace with Milan then DOWing Switzerland replacing the Horde with currently troopless Milan.
Decisions, decisions…
Ceterum censeo Castile esse delendam
I can't believe you still refer to countries as Majors
Only a few more years left...
Only a few more years left...
He's already made it abundantly clear that he has no intention of cheating/modding/whatever. He's going to do the best he can based on his own merits. And I don't blame him -the epic nature of the Iroquois rise to power is largely because he isn't cheating or changing anything.
The Iroquois President was criticised by the opposition for his soft-touch approach on foreign policy :rofl:
Whatever you do, you're not going to be satisfied if you don't annex France, even if it is just a one province minor now!
Diplomat shortages! I can imagine!
Great work!
Renss
Diplomat shortages! I can imagine!
Great work!
Renss
Modding time line is not cheating, it just gives to free world more time to live free from Iroquois tyranny.
FEEDBACK
demokratickid - There's always war! Ever since I got 'Improved Foraging' I've been at war - basically I don't suffer from war exhaustion any more so there's no need for peace.
comagoosie :rofl: Good point
o I guess I'll have to claim that being a 'Major' means it isn't an OPM Throne - I won't, not enough diplomats.
Dylan305 - He could but he won't, the point of the game has always been to see what Iroquois can achieve. This is unmodded IN 3.1 on very hard - in principle this is repeatable by anyone with reasonable ability at the game. Since Iroquois WC is a demonstrated possibility I'm sure someone will go and do it.
MagisterMundi - Thank you, that's exactly what I'm trying to do and why I'm doing it.
naggy - As a good neighbour I've helped the Portuguese out and modded their timeline shorter. By the magic of conquest
aldriq - It's true, I've got touchy feely liberals running the place. Hippy peacenik types, probably teetotal vegetarians who think Katie Melua rocks. Kinda like my mental image of demokratickid :rofl:
Wayloss - Soonish but timing issues are complex to maximise DOW efficiency. Anyway clubbing Milan will firstly breach Duke of Wellington's intellectual property rights and secondly upset Renss!
Rensslaer - Of course I'm going to annex France, doesn't everyone
Enewald - Ah but if the game ends with a few holdouts then we'll all know that on a distant planet in a galaxy far far away a lone band of rebels...
Chapter Seventy Three
It’s Polotsk! War with Milan uses the same forces as war with Bohemia while the armies arrayed against the Horde are a separate set of troops.
August 1807
The full alliance is Golden Horde, Bohemia, Polotsk, France and Switzerland.
Elsewhere Castile and Great Britain are fully occupied, Great Britain is awaiting a spare diplomat for the annexation and then it’s a case of waiting for Castile to hand over its last non-capital province.
Milan is also fully occupied (93% war score) although both Corsica and Denmark are being blockaded and otherwise ignored. I can get another two provinces for a near 100 point deal.
Peace with Great Britain - September 1807
Great Britain annexed a couple of hundred years after I thought that they might do this to me!
The Bohemian killstack remains a problem
This was leaving the scene after five days of combat. I do more damage from the extra attrition than combat as my troops are still retreating at the end of the month.
Peace with Castile – October 1807
Castile is now, finally, a one province minor!
Bohemia becomes HRE on the 9th October 1807 – I’ve been waiting for this for a decade or more but the Danish King just wouldn’t die.
27th January 1807 and the Ottomans finally get around to annexing Styria. I can expect a whole new type of trouble.
A second battle of Szolnok
Another very bloody five days before my troops can pull out but at least I’ve bled Bohemia this time. A couple more months and I’ll try again. The problem is the battering my prestige is taking in all this; this loss has cost me 5 points, that is 0.05 diplomats.
I’m getting troops in to position for another war with Sweden (via Gotland) but Russia is swarming with rebels and I need more diplomats. I could also do with peace with Bohemia soon so that I have troops free in the event the Ottomans attack.
Elsewhere France and Polotsk both await annexation and Milan can be peaced out. Milan has WE capped at 14.83 so there won’t be any provincial defections.
France annexed – May 1808
What can I say?
Polotsk annexed – June 1808
Peace with Milan – June 1808
This is a good peace offer from Milan and of course it saves me a diplomat. The Milanese will move their capital to Pisa within the month. Hard to believe but Milan could be up to six wars from annexation – and you’re looking at the whole country there.
Now I’m only at war with the Golden Horde, Bohemia and Switzerland. Bohemia is mostly occupied or under siege but my stacks are all drained of troops (I need about 150,000 reinforcements) while that army of theirs is undefeated. The Horde is in full retreat, the distances are as much the problem as anything the enemy can offer.
Plans now are war with Sweden via Gotland, Bohemia via the remaining HRE minors and the Ottomans.
War with Gotland – July 1808
The Swedes have about 40,000 men, two armies of just under twenty thousand in Stockholm and Finland and a couple of loose regiments.
The army in Stockholm is beaten to a pulp by throwing 90,000 Iroquois infantry at it while the force in Finland wandered off into occupied Horde northern Russia ignoring an invitingly undefended (although scorched) Novgorod.
Early October and the Ottomans warn us. This is ideal as it means that the first war against the Ottomans can be started by taking out an otherwise harmless OPM.
Magdalena converts – 16/10/1808
OPM Switzerland offers peace for 1500 ducats; apparently there’s gold in Zurich. Switzerland as a Milanese guaranteed OPM is allowed to survive.
Cajamarca converts – 11/ 11/1808
Peace with Bohemia – November 1808
I still can’t kill that Bohemian army but hopefully storming all the Bohemian fortresses before they can successfully siege a province will work. It did against France.
Peace with the Golden Horde – November 1808
January 1809 – New unit types
No, none of these would be any good on the battlefields of Europe although they’d be reasonable troops for the rest of the world. I select American Westernised Infantry.
The map in the background also shows Sweden under pressure. I’ve identified what I want in the peace deal; I just need some more war score to get it.
Troops are nearly in place for the first war with the Ottomans…
Ceterum censeo Castile esse delendam