The Art of War in The Old World: A Timelapse

[TheChronoMaster]

I don't think you understand the butterfly effect. The USA should not exist 999 times out of 1000 diverging from the year 1444 A.D. Neither should Rev. France or many other events. These are only given a slide since only few people grasp the concept of true alternative plausible history.

To draw a modern analogy, if Al Gore got elected as American President in 2000 instead of Bush, there would probably be no European Union, Ebola outbreak, iPhone, or many other modern topical entities. What is extrapolated from there draws infinite outcomes. Even if you decide to place your left foot even a fraction of a degree away in another direction, it causes a chain of reaction that leads to infinite change and outcomes over time. This change also melds with all the innumerable actions happening in the universe at any time.

"Chaos theory" and "period flavor" are nigh incompatible concepts in a GSG. Like it or not, people would prefer to fight against France with France-like borders at the end of the game with their westernized Malian colonial empire. DHEs, national ideas, and missions exist to nudge the timeline 'back on track', as it were, but player intervention is more than capable of changing anything and everything.

The ideal grand strategy historical game is one that gets a historical result the majority of the time without player intervention, and can spiral off in wild directions with player intervention. Whether you believe the historical result was 'likely' or not is irrelevant, since the simulation should, without any external variables introduced, play out mostly like OTL history. EU IV is really close to that.

 

[Jokolytic]

"Chaos theory" and "period flavor" are nigh incompatible concepts in a GSG. Like it or not, people would prefer to fight against France with France-like borders at the end of the game with their westernized Malian colonial empire. DHEs, national ideas, and missions exist to nudge the timeline 'back on track', as it were, but player intervention is more than capable of changing anything and everything.

The ideal grand strategy historical game is one that gets a historical result the majority of the time without player intervention, and can spiral off in wild directions with player intervention. Whether you believe the historical result was 'likely' or not is irrelevant, since the simulation should, without any external variables introduced, play out mostly like OTL history. EU IV is really close to that.

That seems like an excuse for several laziness. If what you're insisting is true, people must really be dull. There's only so many vomit-green and urine-yellow Ottoman and Spain blobs one can bare.

I dream of a game that one day will accurately conjure its own plausible history. The creation of Great Britain was rather arbitrary for example, what if Engkand won the claim to France instead? The AI should be able to simulate new entities such as that with dynamic titles and culture synthesis.

 

[Jokolytic]

That's dumb

Thank you for your constructive and objective comment.

 

[TheChronoMaster]

That seems like an excuse for several laziness. If what you're insisting is true, people must really be dull. There's only so many vomit-green and urine-yellow Ottoman and Spain blobs one can bare.

I dream of a game that one day will accurately conjure its own plausible history. The creation of Great Britain was rather arbitrary for example, what if Engkand won the claim to France instead? The AI should be able to simulate new entities such as that with dynamic titles and culture synthesis.

Oh, I dream of that day too, but on the other hand, we live within the constraints of reality, and this is a game made up almost entirely of .txt files, coded by an absolutely tiny team within the video game world. The game you want wouldn't be possible on modern hardware even with infinite time to code, I think.

 

[Jokolytic]

Oh, I dream of that day too, but on the other hand, we live within the constraints of reality, and this is a game made up almost entirely of .txt files, coded by an absolutely tiny team within the video game world. The game you want wouldn't be possible on modern hardware even with infinite time to code, I think.

Reality...is harsh.

 

[CommunistCookie]

That seems like an excuse for several laziness. If what you're insisting is true, people must really be dull. There's only so many vomit-green and urine-yellow Ottoman and Spain blobs one can bare.

I dream of a game that one day will accurately conjure its own plausible history. The creation of Great Britain was rather arbitrary for example, what if Engkand won the claim to France instead? The AI should be able to simulate new entities such as that with dynamic titles and culture synthesis.

Then I'll be dull, but I'm not apologetic about enjoying things I can relate to.

 

[ChildeR]

To draw a modern analogy, if Al Gore got elected as American President in 2000 instead of Bush, there would probably be no European Union, Ebola outbreak, iPhone, or many other modern topical entities.

The release of iPhone and the current Ebola outbreak are two events far enough from 2000 that any number of things could have affected them. I don't know if I'd say "probably", but it's certainly possible they could change wildly in 7 or 14 years of diverging history, especially in their details. However, I'm curious why you'd think the EU breaking up would be an event of high probability... If anything, the possible (though again not quantifiably probable) alternative of having no Great Recession would seem to have lessened that likelihood.

 

[Krajzen]

Cool!



BTW, one very important question:

HOW DO YOU CREATE A TIMELAPSE :0

 

[wingzero890]

So nothing really exceptional barring I guess super Venice, Persia (!), Poland, and Ruthenia I guess.

France still eats Iberia. Russia still blobs into Mongolia, though not as much as they used to. Ming still survives. Mughals still don't appear. Ottomans still take centuries to conquer the Mamluks.

I think my favorite thing in that timelapse was Persia, really. I have not seen them appear in quite some time now. Also, never saw any Europeans in India which was sorta nice.

These videos do make me wonder if the devs ever test map balance though. I am seriously tired of seeing France eat into Spain.

Sometimes I wish Eu4 had an 'event troop' system like Ck2, which gives an entity a free army that does not replenish, in order to conquer historical lands. Examples are the Turkish, Magyar, Mongol, and a few other invasions. Sure, it's gamey, but Eu4 isn't exactly known for not being gamey (looking at you, rebellions spawning that are bigger than your forcelimits).



That being said, Manchuria needs a lucky nations tag. And so does one of the north indian sultanates, maybe Baluchistan or something so we can see the Mughals take over northern India.

Reality...is harsh.

Be quiet, Kyouma.

 

[sr999]

I don't think you understand the butterfly effect. The USA should not exist 999 times out of 1000 diverging from the year 1444 A.D. Neither should Rev. France or many other events. These are only given a slide since only few people grasp the concept of true alternative plausible history.

To draw a modern analogy, if Al Gore got elected as American President in 2000 instead of Bush, there would probably be no European Union, Ebola outbreak, iPhone, or many other modern topical entities. What is extrapolated from there draws infinite outcomes. Even if you decide to place your left foot even a fraction of a degree away in another direction, it causes a chain of reaction that leads to infinite change and outcomes over time. This change also melds with all the innumerable actions happening in the universe at any time.

I like your thought-provoking examples: but the European Union one puzzles me, please explain?

 

[sermaciej]

I love how Poland lost against Brandenburg and rebels in Ruthenia and then just striked back, eating whole Hungary and half of Ruthenia.

 

[Siddyus]

Finally! I've been hoping to see these kinds of vids for AoW.

 

[sr999]

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France still eats Iberia.
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Sometimes I wish Eu4 had an 'event troop' system like Ck2, which gives an entity a free army that does not replenish, in order to conquer historical lands.
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I agree it's annoying. But there's no need for "event troops" with Spain. There's a precedent in the time period for what happens when France is eating Iberia wholesale: what happened to the French armies in the Peninsula war. I have no idea if this is already coded into rebellion dynamics or whatever, but if not an event massively boosting unrest in the Iberian region until the end of the current war between Spain and France, MTTH decreasing slightly for each province in the region occupied by France, shouldn't be hard for modders or pds to script...

 

[Druplesnubb]

I was so happy to see Bukhara emerge, and then it got anihilated by Kazakhs

 

[DSYoungEsq]

I don't think you understand the butterfly effect. The USA should not exist 999 times out of 1000 diverging from the year 1444 A.D. Neither should Rev. France or many other events. These are only given a slide since only few people grasp the concept of true alternative plausible history.

To draw a modern analogy, if Al Gore got elected as American President in 2000 instead of Bush, there would probably be no European Union, Ebola outbreak, iPhone, or many other modern topical entities. What is extrapolated from there draws infinite outcomes. Even if you decide to place your left foot even a fraction of a degree away in another direction, it causes a chain of reaction that leads to infinite change and outcomes over time. This change also melds with all the innumerable actions happening in the universe at any time.

While this concept is the basis for many science fiction stories, it has no plausible basis in reality. Read, instead, the stories that take the basic concept and point out that most "differences" are meaningless in the long run. The dead butterfly in the Jurassic doesn't mean humans don't evolve to make your uncle pinch your cheek every Christmas.

 

[Haldan]

'murica.

 

[Rozmarzony]

Soundtrack is so damn similiar to Arcanum one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHLAcd14b4
Anyone?

 

[superZAKTAN]

Remember when AI Ottomans were strong? Me neither....

 

[Umega]

Oirats still too strong I see, Timmies collapsed and gave birth to an wonderful Persia, Ottomans being lazy as usual and Korea ahistorically blobbing, a lovely Russia and of course France steamrolling Spain and Austria forming the HRE.
I love timelapses.

 

[cpm4001]

Excellent video; great to see independent nations in the Americas; truly disgusting Europe.