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I also think the Community Mod is more playable in terms of economy. I installed the Victory-x mod yesterday (over a fresh install) and only lost money, there was no way of making any money unless having very high taxes which is deadly in the end for a monarchy.
Java,
I've been playing the Unknown X mods from the begining and I've had no trouble making money. I don't make gobs of cash, but I can make a reasonable profit and still keep my education slider at about 50%. When I need to make a lot of cash, I reduce my education spending. I never raise taxes above 45-50%, but I do have my tariffs maxed. Do you keep your defense spending maxed or your crime spending maxed? If you reduce both of those to half or less, I don't know why you're losing money.
I prefer a tougher economy to slow the growth of the uber armies and the unbelievably fast colonization of Africa.
Varangian
I've been playing the Unknown X mods from the begining and I've had no trouble making money. I don't make gobs of cash, but I can make a reasonable profit and still keep my education slider at about 50%. When I need to make a lot of cash, I reduce my education spending. I never raise taxes above 45-50%, but I do have my tariffs maxed. Do you keep your defense spending maxed or your crime spending maxed? If you reduce both of those to half or less, I don't know why you're losing money.
I prefer a tougher economy to slow the growth of the uber armies and the unbelievably fast colonization of Africa.
Varangian
Hmmm...
Ok, how does this sound, how about coming out with 2 mods like Moztart41st did with his com.mod..... Have one with more of the Com. Mod economy, and one with more of the Victory X economy. Or is this getting too wishy washy??
Ok, how does this sound, how about coming out with 2 mods like Moztart41st did with his com.mod..... Have one with more of the Com. Mod economy, and one with more of the Victory X economy. Or is this getting too wishy washy??
Your Unification idea triggered an Event by me: "three hurrays for both of you"
Until now i played the Community-Mod and was quite happy with it. But there is a point when you gain enough experience with the gameplay and the economy, that Community-Mod seems to be a bit to easy for an experienced player. So i think it is a hell of balancing to make the majority happy. I really wished you could integrate different economy-difficulties to the difficultie levels. But i fear you can t. So it must be clear that there will be never exist one Mod, which will hit the economic sweet spot for everybody. Further i think it is not clear if there exist a majority, who favourite the one or the other way. So feel free to experiment with the Unification of Mods. We will give feedback to afford your great work.
Thanks a lot to both of you, that you spend so much spare time to improve Victoria.
Until now i played the Community-Mod and was quite happy with it. But there is a point when you gain enough experience with the gameplay and the economy, that Community-Mod seems to be a bit to easy for an experienced player. So i think it is a hell of balancing to make the majority happy. I really wished you could integrate different economy-difficulties to the difficultie levels. But i fear you can t. So it must be clear that there will be never exist one Mod, which will hit the economic sweet spot for everybody. Further i think it is not clear if there exist a majority, who favourite the one or the other way. So feel free to experiment with the Unification of Mods. We will give feedback to afford your great work.
Thanks a lot to both of you, that you spend so much spare time to improve Victoria.
Long LEE said:
What is the point for united mod then? Economy will be more like the one found in Victory X, because of AI issues. But please don't make untrue statments like i can't make any money when using Victory X, because if you look in to the files you find that economy in Victory X is only about 30% less profitable and that ain't so big difference.
i really appreciate this decision. i'm hoping for a good balanced game with working unifications and no uber-armys.
my suggestion for the "economic-sweet-spot": just make the beginning event of the community mod with different choices, where the player can decide how big the output-modifier will be. but i'm not sure if this will mess up the economy.
my suggestion for the "economic-sweet-spot": just make the beginning event of the community mod with different choices, where the player can decide how big the output-modifier will be. but i'm not sure if this will mess up the economy.
Pardon...
Sorry, but I've never use the Victory X mod. My comments a while back were ref a problem I was having with Mozarts mod, and I have since then let him know that I found the problem, and it was us (me). If you two come out with one mod that's great, I just mentioned it as it seem a few around here would like the option of some choice. Having said that, I realize beggers can't be choosers, and you're the ones doing all the work, and I for one, do greatly appreciate it!
unknown-X- said:
Sorry, but I've never use the Victory X mod. My comments a while back were ref a problem I was having with Mozarts mod, and I have since then let him know that I found the problem, and it was us (me). If you two come out with one mod that's great, I just mentioned it as it seem a few around here would like the option of some choice. Having said that, I realize beggers can't be choosers, and you're the ones doing all the work, and I for one, do greatly appreciate it!
Long LEE said:
Well if you never use or ever have used(or have played only one or two games a LOOONG time ago) , then why the negative stance on Victory X economy model?
and for one thing - why do you all keep talking about the dire need of output increase?(if economy works fine without it then, why do we need to change the output modifier)
??????
I don't what to turn this into a pissing match, but I've never made one negitive comment about your X mod. anywhere on this forum. So I don't really know what you're talking about???
I don't what to turn this into a pissing match, but I've never made one negitive comment about your X mod. anywhere on this forum. So I don't really know what you're talking about???
Compromise, compromise. How about a 20% boost to production? Without compromise it's more like Hitler's Anschluss. :rofl:
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Long LEE said:
Well, a few posts ago you suggested that there should be two versions of this mod, one based on community economy and the other on Victory X economy, this can be taken as all but overly positive stance.
And i still can't understand why increased production is necessary? You really wan't to have 9999+ of most products on WM after late 50's? Even with any output modifier there is heavy overproduction of some or goods and i don't mean only resources from RGO's.
unknown-X- said:
Never had experienced this with community mod!!!
Why do you think the increasing of production output will lead to such strange things?
All together be objective or put the whole project to the garbage can !!!
Wilhelm II. said:
Please don't be misguided, even with vanilla Victoria almost all basic RGO goods are maxed at 10000+ units and some of the factory produced goods aswell.(by late 50's)
I know what he wants to say(i'm really no idiot 
) but he's wrong look here and see the year it is! :
) but he's wrong look here and see the year it is! :
oops, sorry i didn't know that you didn't know. Go check the *REAL* figures in your savegame file. These should differ quite much.
Ok i'm saying sorry too ... but only for the rgo goods this is right:
... but only for the rgo goods this is right:
Code:
worldmarket = {
cotton = 229.994
dye = 0.000
tobacco = 10000.001
tea = 10000.001
coffee = 10000.001
opium = 10000.001
wool = 396.687
silk = 1.056
cattle = 9977.415
fish = 9977.814
fruit = 9932.639
grain = 9912.900
coal = 190.392
sulphur = 0.000
iron = 0.000
precious_metal = 10000.001
timber = 51.285
tropical_wood = 0.000
rubber = 9991.370
oil = 227.925
steel = 0.000
cement = 204.388
glass = 0.000
fuel = 0.000
ammunition = 0.000
small_arms = 0.000
artillery = 0.000
barrels = 0.000
fertilizer = 0.000
explosives = 0.000
clipper_convoy = 0.000
steamer_convoy = 0.000
machine_parts = 0.000
automobiles = 0.000
aeroplanes = 0.000
electric_gear = 0.000
telephones = 0.000
wine = 0.000
liquor = 0.000
canned_food = 0.000
fabric = 0.000
regular_clothes = 0.000
luxury_clothes = 0.000
lumber = 0.000
paper = 20.130
furniture = 0.000
luxury_furniture = 0.000
}err...how is this economy working?(and is the year 1879) There is practically no factored goods in reserve...amm, really strange. Are you using vanilla victoria?
No i'm using community mod 1.6. And it's 1871!!!
So i think it's not too easy for my prussia!
So i think it's not too easy for my prussia!