Uhh didn't you hear that most of Siberia was effectively russianized until the end of the 19th century?
Maybe Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and the such you're right about that.
The alt-history scenarios in this game are fantasy scenarios, where is the actual alt-history
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Uhh didn't you hear that most of Siberia was effectively russianized until the end of the 19th century?
Maybe Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and the such you're right about that.
You have a point there. Those would probably declare independence.
I tend to think this would require some prudent policy on the behalf of the Nazis, something they didn't display in 4 years against the USSR, despite said people who hated the regime offering help.
Hence, I doubt that.
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It's false. The Germans had no intention to conquer Central Asia. The didn't plan to go farther than Astrakhan
Other point to consider : the Germans did try to support a insurrection of Chechens and other people in the Caucasus
Also, Rashie, you might want to edit your message since it touches a banned subject
" In a discussion with the Danish Foreign Minister Scavenius on 2 November 1942, German Foreign Minister Ribbentrop stated that the Germans expected Asian Russia to eventually split up into several harmless "peasant republics" after Germany had occupied the country's European parts "
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As I said, that would have needed a prudent non Nazi policy the Nazis didn't display when they were struggling to take down the USSR. Hence, doubt.
Yeah, should change your wording!
But to the point, the German leadership indeed had no intentions to expand past the Urals or to harm the peoples of the steppe so the non-Russian member states seceding looks quite plausible to me although i wouldn't take it granted either.
Still, it doesn't matter. They wouldn't have the capabilities to fight back
Even partisans in Yugoslavia retained the capability to fight back so you should think again.
Partisans ? what does it matter when there are partisans in territories non-controlled by the Germans ?
With the USSR industry moved into the Urals and 2500 km away from the Reich in areas devoid of infrastructure?
Doubt.
They would probably be in the "controlled" areas...
cf Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Poland....
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no, no, no... I am sorry but you don't know enough about the subject. First it was not "the whole USSR industry moved into the Urals" it was only a fraction of what was in the West. Historically, the industrial losses were massive and in our scenario the Germans hold the Moscow area an most of the Volga area so it's even much more. Furthemore, they lack resources especially oil, more than 80 % of it was from the Caucasus. It's gone.
in the controlled area the Axis can just put a very large number of soldiers from Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Hungary, Finland, and ... anti soviet people from controlled territories (Balts, Ukraine, Russia...) like they did historically. Partisan activity would be over quickly, because they wouldn't hope of relief from a now defeated Red Army.
History contradicts you as the Yugoslav army was defeated in a matter of days and strong partisan resistance continued indefinitely. Same story in contemporary Iraq.
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So, they would do the same as historically, which didn't pay off, but it would work this time?
Don't you forget that part of the reason Cossacks and Armenians (Balts were not soviet citizens until 1940, may I remind you?) Was that they feared soviet retribution? It wasn't always love for the German cause that motivated them. The Cossacks surrendered in Austria, to the British.
Meaning that some of that manpower might turn against the Germans the minute the war against USSR is "won" and the people living now under German rule realize what they're up for...
I didn't say "whole of the Industry", that's a fabrication. And the soviets out produced the Germans in 1942 in terms of tanks and guns, despite most of western Russia und whole Ukraine being occupied. So, I beg to differ.
Caucasian oil is a different ballpark. Question is if the Germans could make use of it and if the soviets needed oil to conduct partisan warfare on the Urals border. But yes, a serious blow.
Maybe we can agree that the USSR wouldn't win after AA line was reached, but not be defeated as well?
You compare totally different situations. I can object to you that armed resistance in France, Low countries, Denmark, Norway, was almost non existent for a long time. Hell, even resistance in the occupied areas in the Soviet Union was non existent in 1941 and only started later.
I can give you examples of regular armies who defeated guerrilla insurrections, on top of my head :
French army in Algeria (yes, look it up)
Russia in Chechnya
Spanish army in Spain
Britain in India, Africa
etc etc...
you talk about Iraq, but the US army had very different rules of engagements than during WW2. I can guarantee that a handful of german divisions from WW2 would have pacified the country VERY quickly.
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