Timmies forming mughals would be nice, because then we don't get perpetual Timurid (even if not Timurid tag) iran but instead iran lost to either a horde or a western turko-iranian state
Both of those states requiring religions is unrelated to the issue of Prussia. In my opinion, both should be free of religious requirements anyway, especially Byzantium, as that would allow Latin Crusader-States to form it. But the fact that these two have such a requirement currently does not mean that Prussia should have to follow the same rules, especially if said rules are a bit silly.
I'd be happy with crusader-state-formed Byzantium, but some religious requirement should be in place. Hard pass on Sunni Byzantium!
Guy with German empire flag doesn't mind if prussia forms? Hmm somethings not right
Forming Rum, the islamic/Persianate term for romans, should be free of religious requirements? Russia should be able to form Rum with a mere culture shift? Kingdom of Jerusalem should be formable by Sunnis? Courland should be formable by Catholics? Sokoto should be formable by fetishists?
Thats not how that works, the german kingdom of the turn of the 1st millennium vastly differed from that of the german empire of the turn of the 20th century. Alfred the Great's kingdom of England was vastly different to the last years of Stuart England. Just admit you want cool bonuses without any of the downsides
The state religion may not have officially been lutheranism but as the last grand master was a Protestant hohenzollern who was advised by Luther himself on the secularisation, as well as the fact ruler and state convert as one in eu4, I think its fair to say it was Protestant when it secularised. Secularisation of holy orders used to be covered alot better in my view with it changing via decision depending on admin tech and religion, as it allowed Salzburg to flip earlier than its historic 1803 secularisation, but still that the ai was unlikely to do it too early unless Protestant
As in copy burgundy forming lotharegnia via mission tree once in empire even tho the hohenzollerns could crown themselves kings in prussia as it was outside the hre?
not always, you can check https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Culture_and_religion_events
Yes if you're wrong religion and are exceedingly rare
Maybe some kind of Christianity, but really if you have the required territory, you can pretty much claim whatever title you want. It doesn't really matter what religion you are in the end, at least in my opinion; that's what makes sandbox simulators fun.
I mean, if you hold the territory, and have the correct culture, why shouldn't you be able to claim the title? If I held all the French territory, and had French culture, should I be unable to form France if I'm not a Catholic? The rule is arbitrary at best, and if I wanna be a Sunni kingdom of Jerusalem, why not? It's a historical-flavored sandbox. And again, "Modern". The crusaders at the time knew they were in control of the Eastern Empire, and essentially functioned as the ruling dynasty, so why should we be prisoners of modern nomenclature for no particular reason? This argument also doesn't dismiss or counter my points on Prussia.
Isnt it just ai thing where they only flip to rebels or if all protestant provinces?
With 2. Why not? Muscovy used to have russian ideas but then was made seperate to have a different starting set. England and GB too. Brandenburg getting its own ideas was typical of eu4 dev cycle at the time
I strongly disagree with this logic that tags in EU4 just represent the name of your country (which you can claim as soon you control the region of that name).
Theres also the fact we already have prussia and brandenburg get a free pu provided 100 relations are met, as well as previously mentioned dutch revolt. So religious change via event, which ai could refuse isnt that much more railroading
I disagree with your disagreement. This is a sandbox historical simulator, so why restrict players based purely on history, when every game is guaranteed to result in an ahistorical outcome regardless? The history is there for flavor and guidelines, not for railroading.
Its a sandbox historical simulator thats why we have a twinge of reality in several game mechanics due to the constant tug of war between realists and blobbers
Indeed. But it should be possible to form this secular state without having to be a specific religion.
Because it was only a change of name. And even that took a long time, since it still was commonly called Brandenburg-Prussia for decades.
Then you have one less malus but all the previous bonuses if you were Protestant of some kindIndeed. But it should be possible to form this secular state without having to be a specific religion.
Yes but brandenburg ideas need to fit 1444 brandenburg as well as in the time before prussia formed
Power creep is unavoidable if a game as old as this one keeps getting updates. If Prussian ideas are too OP in your opinion, advocate for nerfing them. They could always give the military bonuses to Prussia as Age abilities and events similar to the Ottoman's temporary military buffs.
or just make religious centers more likely to target provinces of a tag with the right culture and provinces to form prussia, would be less artificial imo.
Like any other nation that existed from 1444 to 1821 the ideas have to fit the hole timeframe. I agree that you change Ideas for forming GB or Spain, who merged two kingdoms in one and so had to change the administration, but this is not true for Prussia.
