The AI Killed My Mission Tree

[SonofWinter]

Brandenburg force released Danzig. Now my entire mission tree is destroyed.

Maybe someone should reconsider how these mission trees are set up.

 

[Republic of Mercury]

How exactly is your "entire mission tree" destroyed? All you need to do is conquer two more provinces to finish The Prussian Confederation.

 

[SonofWinter]

How exactly is your "entire mission tree" destroyed? All you need to do is conquer two more provinces to finish The Prussian Confederation.

Nope, I can't chose the Prussian Confederation without "Supported the Prussian Confederation." And there was no Prussian Confederation to support.

 

[SonofWinter]

Here are the requirements in order to vassalize them.

 

[Kane_hun]

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Here are the requirements in order to vassalize them.

You can also complete the mission by owning/having a subject own Western Prussia, as it is "One of the following".

 

[SonofWinter]

You can also complete the mission by owning/having a subject own Western Prussia, as it is "One of the following".

I would need a PU partner own it, or have my vassal own it. I made the mistake of marriage and alliance and it went from vassal to no-vassalage in an instant, over night.

I'm stuck restarting the game.

 

[Zelius]

I would need a PU partner own it, or have my vassal own it. I made the mistake of marriage and alliance and it went from vassal to no-vassalage in an instant, over night.

I'm stuck restarting the game.

So... you screwed yourself by trying to minmax and fed Mazovia too much, and now you can't get into Prussia, is that the problem?

 

[Sidolowka]

Here are the requirements in order to vassalize them.

You don't need to vassalise them, read the requirements carefully. It says

Owned by Poland or its non-tributary subjects

as in you could just straight up own West Prussia to fulfil the requirements. No need for vassalisation shenanigans.

 

[Darsara]

All provinces in the West Prussia Area :

• Owned by Poland or its non-Tributary subjects

You can just take them for yourself to fire the mission.

 

[SonofWinter]

All provinces in the West Prussia Area :

• Owned by Poland or its non-Tributary subjects

You can just take them for yourself to fire the mission.

Yes, I know. But, since I fed Mazowia so that I could diploannex it, I failed to realize that this event was tied to a revolution. So I'm cut off, I attempted to vassalize them but the vassal option went from green to red after they build 3 regiments, so I got screwed by the AI. I have to now restart, or break the marriage, break the alliance, and wait 5 years, while Danzig joins the HRE.

See, I'm flocked either way. By the time I declare war, I'm sure Danzig will be under Austro-Hungary's protection.

 

[Sidolowka]

A.

I fed Mazowia so that I could diploannex it

Why...? It's not like you're gonta be missing Admin points in the early game as Poland since you're probably gonta be busier on the diplomatic front.

B.

So I'm cut off, I attempted to vassalize them but the vassal option went from green to red after they build 3 regiments, so I got screwed by the AI.

Build more regiments yourself, the difference shouldn't be too big if it just went from green to red.

C.

I have to now restart, or break the marriage, break the alliance, and wait 5 years, while Danzig joins the HRE.

See, I'm flocked either way. By the time I declare war, I'm sure Danzig will be under Austro-Hungary's protection.

Not a given. And even if they do join the HRE or somehow ally Austria, you're Poland. Just roll over the Austrians lol

 

[Darsara]

Yes, I know. But, since I fed Mazowia so that I could diploannex it, I failed to realize that this event was tied to a revolution. So I'm cut off, I attempted to vassalize them but the vassal option went from green to red after they build 3 regiments, so I got screwed by the AI. I have to now restart, or break the marriage, break the alliance, and wait 5 years, while Danzig joins the HRE.

See, I'm flocked either way. By the time I declare war, I'm sure Danzig will be under Austro-Hungary's protection.

You should easily be able to build more than enough regiments to counter their military power. Diplo-vassalize is compared to you, not absolute power for military. OPM Danzig shouldn't be able to mass enough troops to counter your potential. So build up until your comparative power is strong enough they decide to accept vassalization. If you have some favours on them try to raise trust while you build up.

 

[LukasYork]

Raise trust with favors,
hire dip rep advisor,
get that blessing from the Pope that gives dip rep (Papal Legate)
Max out your legitimacy, make sure you don't have any OE,
That should be more than enough to diplo vassalize

 

[adin85]

Raise trust with favors,
hire dip rep advisor,
get that blessing from the Pope that gives dip rep (Papal Legate)
Max out your legitimacy, make sure you don't have any OE,
That should be more than enough to diplo vassalize

And there is estate which gives 25 extra relation and there is defender of faith(10 + for relations). Yo gave too much land Mazovia. First war I take only Chelmno and money and I'm waiting for Danzig Federation. In short time you get money second time and I gave all land too Danzig.

 

[SonofWinter]

And there is estate which gives 25 extra relation and there is defender of faith(10 + for relations). Yo gave too much land Mazovia. First war I take only Chelmno and money and I'm waiting for Danzig Federation. In short time you get money second time and I gave all land too Danzig.

I don't want Danzig to get most of the land. I can diploannex Mazovia much quicker as they are Polish culture, and are my vassals from day 1, rather than 1460. So while the annexation of a Prussian vassal is 4 points per month, a Polish vassal is 5 points per month and since I like to go for Influence first, I can have them for a lot less diplo points than admin points.

Feeding Danzig is much more time consuming, while feeding Mazovia is quick as they can form claims starting in 1444 and by 1449, they have 3 claims, and I usually get the 4th claim in Tuchola.

By the end of the first war, Mazovia is at the border of the Livonian Order and one claim and I can force vassalize them and retake their cores from the Danes. This way, I can absorb Livonia, Mazovia and Danzig by 1490 and feed Ryzanian provinces to Lithuania up to their 57 province limit and then swallow them whole.

So... good advice but your advice is not the most efficient.

 

[Borgio]

The proximity of borders is another modifier to the willingness of Danzig to become your vassal. If you had taken Tuchola (or Chelmno) for yourself, and not for Mazovia, they would want to be your vassal even more. If all of the above mentioned things don't help, try to quickly seize land from Mazovia (the province of Tuchola) and check if they are willing to become your vassal then.

But I am also questioning your reason behind that vassal-feeding to Mazovia. Why wouldn't you just take that land for yourself? It's not like you're expanding in 5 different directions immediately and are desperately lacking ADM points at the start of the game.

 

[adin85]

I'am playing little different and i dont have problems with missions. Sometimes I use this new estate which gives no penalty from diploanexation, but I prefer have cheaper generals. For me important is Bohemia PU, Sweden as Vassal and maybe PU Burgundy till 1490. I dont spend too much diplopoints before I wont get "Flexible Negotiations" from Diplomatic Ideas. It's only way get Sweden as Vassal. Danes often attack Livonia Order and I use my subject claims too attack Danes. It's faster to get warpoints in this way. Rest is depend of situation. With this force you can to be enough strong to wrack Ottomans and Muscow early.

 

[gigau]

Brandenburg force released Danzig. Now my entire mission tree is destroyed.

Well, it's a known strategy by the player to disrupt the AI ability to fulfill its missions... why can't the AI do the same?

Maybe someone should reconsider how these mission trees are set up.

Why would teh fact that us players (i do that so very often) make faulty decisions mean the mission tree design has to be reconsidered.

If you want to fulfill missions, you need to pay attention to them and their triggers, and be careful not to make wrong decisions.

Not going to blame you for wrong decisions leading to issues with fulfilling missions. Happens to me quite regularly. But, here, there are two different ways for you fulfill the mission, one still available, even if more difficult.

If you have a problem with the design of missions (which is okay... to each their own opinion), this example here is not a good argument. If you have ideas for a better design, i would advise creating a thread in the Suggestions subforum explaining calmly and civilly your ideas.

 

[Twoflower]

There is a quite valid point hidden behind this thread: mission trees should ideally not include bottlenecks that are based on conditions that are too specific and that you can easily miss out on.
The actual case discussed here, however, is an example of how missions should be designed to not be too specific. The mission tree is not destroyed at all by Brandenburg releasing Danzig, all parts of it can stil be accomplished.
What may be destroyed is an attempt at a speedrun/perfect minmaxing. Which is tough luck, but not the game's fault

 

[yyrkroon]

How exactly is your "entire mission tree" destroyed? All you need to do is conquer two more provinces to finish The Prussian Confederation.

Right. I don't even the see the typical, "but that would require me going to war with an ally" or "but that would require me defeating Evil Otto" which is usually a part of these claims.