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Hello there dear reader!

My name is Simon and i'm grateful that you choosed this thread.
My idea is simple, unite the Charlemange empire, go back in time and change so the 100 year war never ended and make a HOI2 scenario out of it.

Well, actually. It's much more complex than that. But still, the idea is there.
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NATIONS:
The Union of Kalmar never dissolved. The Swedes didn't rebel. Instead they created a united kingdom, a strong naval nation.
They were very keen of their past, closely relating every decision to the ancient Vikings. They have survived very well, and haven't engaged in too many wars. Only some naval battles with England and one large war with Kievan Rus' where they lost Åland and Gotland. But that was a long time ago. Now in 1930 they try to keep everyone happy, but is secretly planning to start a very grand war to topple the Kievan Rus' king and gain land.

The Kievan Rus kingdom
never fell to the Mongols, they created an Orthodox kingdom spanning from Germany to the Berings strait. They too were very keen of their past, but they don't talk about themself being relatives of the Swedish vikings. But instead they honored the Varangarians of Byzantia and the old Roman empire. There were enemies lurking from two directions, A possible clash with the Union of Kalmar and a monstrous conflict with the Franks. The Kievan Rus' had to decide where to focus.

The Frankish Empire, much like the Habsburg empire in our timeline survived through the ages. They didn't expand much, except for some colonizing(sp?) appempts in America. They fought the Anglosaxons constantly, the 100 year war in our timeline never ended. But was fought in many series of campaigns. Most of them ended in a stalemate, but the Anglosaxon's kept attacking. And in the end, noone knew why. Will the Franks reconquer the lost provinces from the Anglosaxons or will they submit to them?

Speaking of which, England had claimed the throne of France for centuries. And attacked them fiercly. But in the 20th Century the attacks had ended, but they were still at war and skirmishes were carried out in the Neatherlands and in Iberia. The neverending war would soon erupt into a war to end all wars some Anglosaxons say.

The least fiercest nation in existance must be the Byzantine Republic, they haven't engaged in large-scale warfare since the Byzantine re-conquest of Turkey in the late 18th century. That is almost 200 years of peace. The Emperor was assassinated during a revolution by Greek liberals, they took over the former-empire and reannounced the "Oriens Romanorum Res publica". The East -Roman Republic. But they would still be called Byzantium.

The small state in the caucasus is a modern Mongol state called simply The Horde by the international world. They have completely frozen in time and are a horseback nomad people. They have few cities and are behind in research. But they are expert warriors and their horses are sold for millions each. But their puny nationstate will be nothing but cannon fodder if war starts.

The Ottoman Empire has been driven from Europe and is currently holding Iraq, Syria and Eqypt. They are not a major player in European politics.

MODDING INFORMATION:

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<- THESE NATIONS CONSIDER | THESE NATIONS TO BE ENEMIES ->

Kievan Rus' | The Union of Kalmar, The Franks

The Union of Kalmar | England and Kievan Rus'

The Franks | England and Kievan Rus'

England | The Franks

Byzantine Republic | The Horde, The Ottoman Empire, Kievan Rus'
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IDEOLOGIES:

Kievan Rus' | Paternal Autocrat

Union of Kalmar | Paternal Autocrat

The Franks | Paternal Autocrat

England | Paternal Autocrat (ZzzZz)

Byzantine | Market Liberal

The Horde | Paternal Autocrat
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TECHINICAL DIFFICULTIES
Ok, here's the deal. I need a team of modders willing to make my dream a reality. I have no modding experience except making flags and other graphics.
I basically need someone to make it all, with the help of me of course.

Ai
Events
Tech Teams
Leaders
Ministers
ect
ect

All will be lead by me, and the one that is willing enough to cooperate on a large scale.. But all story related material will be directly coordinated by me.

Oh and btw, is it possible to make it a "Battle scenario" but not a war scenario? What i mean by that is that events will fire and everything will be normal but the rest of the world will be Terra incognita. It will become a Crusader Kings style map. But still in the modern world. Why I want that is because the scenario should focus on European politics alone.

Please come and join! :D
 
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mod idea

most of the editing can be figured out. After all I have programmed mods and I am entirely self taught, the only computer class I have ever taken was in Qbasic. Its really a matter of thinking hard and being observant. Remember Paradox designed these games to be reprogrammable so just roll up your sleeves and get messy.


BTW, intruiging idea, but i cannot imagine a primitive society surviving when bordering on a much more advanced one. I speak of course of the Horde and its neighbors. Remember historically anyone with bigger guns survived and everyone else get conquered.
 

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hammerfalls said:
most of the editing can be figured out. After all I have programmed mods and I am entirely self taught, the only computer class I have ever taken was in Qbasic. Its really a matter of thinking hard and being observant. Remember Paradox designed these games to be reprogrammable so just roll up your sleeves and get messy.


BTW, intruiging idea, but i cannot imagine a primitive society surviving when bordering on a much more advanced one. I speak of course of the Horde and its neighbors. Remember historically anyone with bigger guns survived and everyone else get conquered.

The editing is simple, no programing languages required. But still, there are a lot of good .txt editor guys out there. So i'm calling on them.


The primitive society of the Horde is under guard by the Kievan Rus'. They have allowed them to live peacefully with their horses in the kaukasus. But times are changing. Europe will soon erupt into a megalithic war and the poor little cavalrystate will be doomed. :rofl:
 

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Um, your Byzantine history is a bit wacky. Byzantine should not have to conquer Turkey from the Ottomans because they should have held on to it. It was the Ottoman Empire IRL which conquered Turkey from the Byzantines, not the other way round. Turks came all the way from Central Asia. Turkey is NOT their native land. ;)
 

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mib said:
Um, your Byzantine history is a bit wacky. Byzantine should not have to conquer Turkey from the Ottomans because they should have held on to it. It was the Ottoman Empire IRL which conquered Turkey from the Byzantines, not the other way round. Turks came all the way from Central Asia. Turkey is NOT their native land. ;)

Well, in this timeline the Byzantines took Turkey from the Ottomans.. again..
 

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mib said:
Um, your Byzantine history is a bit wacky. Byzantine should not have to conquer Turkey from the Ottomans because they should have held on to it. It was the Ottoman Empire IRL which conquered Turkey from the Byzantines, not the other way round. Turks came all the way from Central Asia. Turkey is NOT their native land. ;)
but they resettled there and made it the home and heart and that is why they became tukey and kemal didn't let the british italians french russians and greek get any more land than they did
 

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Ok ok, but please.. Stay on topic.. :p

Does anyone have any comments on the idea in general? Or is there anyone willing to help?

Please don't come and talk about historical accuracy.. This isn't one of those 100% correct mods, as you can see *cough*..
 

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Wouldn't all that land make Kievan Rus too powerful?
 

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Comments on the idea in general?

The Frankish Empire and the Kievan Rus Kingdom (without the depopulation incurred during the Mongol invasions) seem like fairly unbalancing powerhouses. France+Germany+Spain? The only things I can think of to balance it are to either abstract sizable colonial empires to Scandinavia, England, and Byzantium (they might've gobbled up the better African colonies for all we know) or to just nerf those two superpowers to bring them down to speed.

To nerf them, maybe they've got lower skill tech teams.. They're big and powerful enough that tech development might be stagnant. Maybe they're agrarian. Crank up the industrial tech historical years (eg. basic machine tools 1938, improved machine tools 1940, advanced machine tools 1941) and give 'em all to the other three power blocs. That'll help. Give both of them human wave doctrine paths.

You can also fiddle with DP sliders. Full central-planning, hawk party, and standing army sliders?

Swede, I recognize your concept, but even with the geographical highground and a strong starting navy, the other three powers are outclassed by far.