The 100% ahead of time reduction, insanely powerful.

[Denkt]

From todays Wednesday stream I noticed at 45:21 the player hold over infantry anti tank I which is a 1942 tech. The game is at 1 november 1939. So about 2 years ahead in time but because he have a 100% ahead of time reduction he don't get any penalty at all, allowing him to research that tech in just 100 days.

A tech that give +25% hard attack and +100% piercing to infantry.

The 100% ahead of time reduction allow you to get a technology several years ahead in time, and you don't pay anything extra for it.

 

[LordOfWar16]

If the ahead of time penalty is similar to how it was in HoI III you can research one year ahead without an penalty anyway. Other than that you only obtain them through the national focus tree anyway, which makes sense. If you focus on having advanced infantry weapon sure, why not. Other nations get those bonuses aswell and in other technologies, so it balance itself out. The Molotov Ribbentrop pact reduces the penalty to research the pzIII for germany by an considerable amount aswell. It was almost 1940 aswell, which effectively leaves you with an 1 year ahead of time penalty.

Other than that that actually doesnt give 250% hardattack but 25%.

 

[Denkt]

The game show you the current ahead penalty but it decrease per month so what the game show is only correct if the ahead peanlty was frozen after you start the research (which is not the case). As we don't see any ahead penalty at all, we can safely say that it have been completely removed.

It say the computer machine will take 450 days to research from a base cost of 250 days. 250*0.8 = 200 so 1.8*250=450

The game say +180% penalty but he really only have a 80% penalty, it is just a poor math choice to have the + in the text.

+80% is correct or it could say cost is 180% of base cost.

That mean the research peanlty is maybe "only" half as much or it could be that he started on month number 7 as you said.

Next day at 10:19 we see the month change and a huge drop in research time for the computer machine from 447 to 409 days.

If it was just a normal day research time would be 446 so 446 - 409 = 37 days and 37/250 = 0.148 or 14.8%.

Next time I see Germany's research is at 14:43 which is September 22, 53 days after last time. Computer machine have now 319 days left. 409 - 319 = 90 and 37+53 = 90 so the ahead penalty drop linear.

Now I try to backtrack. We know that each month ahead add 37 days so 250+37*6 =472 (I guess there is some rounding that cost us a few days as if I had to say the each month add 15% cost)
Then we remove 250*0.9 = 25 days (Germany have 10% research cost reduction) and 472-25 = 447 days, very very close to what we had.

So the true ahead penalty seems to be 12*15% = 180% per year and the research cost modifiers seems to be adjective.

However we should not forget the secret weapon which have not really gotten any showlight and that is the 100% ahead in time penalty reduction which can be gotten by some national focuses. At 39:19 we see it in action.

Panzer III is 7 months ahead in time: 7*15% = 105%, what we see is that it will take 77 days (-61.50%) which seems like a bug because then he press on the tank it say 154 days (he got 23% research cost reduction).

We know the base cost of Pz III is 77/(1-61.5%) = 200 days and 200*0.23 = 46 days. 200 - 46 = 154 days, the ahead penalty is completely gone.

This is for a 7 month ahead in time research, do the 100% ahead in time penalty remove all ahead penalty or only some of it, that is still unknown for me.

 

[EntropyAvatar]

I like powerful bonuses, and I don't want to get worked up over numbers that could easily change. It does seem like perhaps it is overpowered at the moment, perhaps.

 

[Secret Master]

Do we know what +100% piercing would actually do for the infantry in question?

I'm asking, because a +25% to HA in HOI3 for plain infantry might actually not be that much. 25% of, say, four is just one more hard attack. In HOI3, one lousy extra hard attack isn't that amazing.

Maybe 100% piercing is just enough to pierce a T-34 when you could only penetrate a Pz I before.

 

[Asfifldjarfi]

I think the ahead of time penalty works in increments, and while a 100% ahead of time penalty reduction might seem like elimination of ahead of time, I think ahead of time penalty will work like this.

1 year ahead of time=100% extra research time, gets lower as there is less of the year remaining, so starting a 1940 tech in december 1939 will have almost no effect, while not so in january.

2 years ahead of time= 200% extra research time.

This way, having 100% ahead of time research penalty reduction, would eliminate the penalty for 1 year ahead of time, half the penalty for 2 years ahead of time, and take 1/3rd of the penalty away at 3 years. Sounds simple enough, and obviously the only way this could be implemented, otherwise a 100% reduction in ahead of time penalty means that there is no ahead of time penalty.