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John,
My hat's off.
Not only did Prussia win in real terms-it won the war. I can identify four or five key mistakes, some of them very sloppy, that cost me Alsace:
1. Not regenerating manpower prior to the war. I went in at a quarter.
2. My naval strike was poorly handled and resulted in a serious loss of troops to attrition and the strategic difficulties in pushing too hard too early.
3. Pursuing the momentum after Prussia's great defeat in Pfalz, rather than rebuilding and regrouping.
4. Not levying troops after the turnaround in the Netherlands toward the end.
5. Overextending generally.
6. Utilizing the Spanish Netherlands too heavily, rather than building a slow momentum through Prussian territory.
7. Lazily failing to reconstruct the fleet, preventing the rapid reinforcements I need when occupying Munster.
While French MP and morale were lower, the starting army was larger. It was definitely John's war. I'm very impressed.
My hat's off.
Not only did Prussia win in real terms-it won the war. I can identify four or five key mistakes, some of them very sloppy, that cost me Alsace:
1. Not regenerating manpower prior to the war. I went in at a quarter.
2. My naval strike was poorly handled and resulted in a serious loss of troops to attrition and the strategic difficulties in pushing too hard too early.
3. Pursuing the momentum after Prussia's great defeat in Pfalz, rather than rebuilding and regrouping.
4. Not levying troops after the turnaround in the Netherlands toward the end.
5. Overextending generally.
6. Utilizing the Spanish Netherlands too heavily, rather than building a slow momentum through Prussian territory.
7. Lazily failing to reconstruct the fleet, preventing the rapid reinforcements I need when occupying Munster.
While French MP and morale were lower, the starting army was larger. It was definitely John's war. I'm very impressed.
oddest thing! autosave is corrupt. 2 saves after are corrupt
oldauto only file safe
1 year back
oldauto only file safe
1 year back
wow thank god we ended now then.Count Drew said:oddest thing! autosave is corrupt. 2 saves after are corrupt
oldauto only file safe
1 year back
One quarter mp? Well, that would explain how you were surprised with my numbers in the end. I had over 80 mp left.
We have such a small border, it's pretty challenging to maneuver around such space without losing much to attrition. HG, I think you took more losses to attrition, mostly because you lacked supply in the Netherlands with your expeditions, but my guess would be you killed more of my troops in actual battle. There were some great moments during that war, with several battles of 700k+ in Pfalz and Kleves and Munster. The Rhine flowed dark red the past few years . A shame the save was corrupted, for the sake of stats if nothing else. I would love to see the total casualties for that session . The nice thing is they mostly reflect each others kills too, if 300k or so are subtracted from the Frito-English war.
I have to say my favorite part of the war was sinking the French fleet . Any Prussia can win land wars, but I'm rather proud of my navy. Good fighting in all three conflicts, next time it'll be hard core Frederick vs Fra-Spa-Aus etc. It's gonna be great .
We have such a small border, it's pretty challenging to maneuver around such space without losing much to attrition. HG, I think you took more losses to attrition, mostly because you lacked supply in the Netherlands with your expeditions, but my guess would be you killed more of my troops in actual battle. There were some great moments during that war, with several battles of 700k+ in Pfalz and Kleves and Munster. The Rhine flowed dark red the past few years
. A shame the save was corrupted, for the sake of stats if nothing else. I would love to see the total casualties for that session . The nice thing is they mostly reflect each others kills too, if 300k or so are subtracted from the Frito-English war. I have to say my favorite part of the war was sinking the French fleet
. Any Prussia can win land wars, but I'm rather proud of my navy. Good fighting in all three conflicts, next time it'll be hard core Frederick vs Fra-Spa-Aus etc. It's gonna be great .The session didn't go so well for the OE I'm afraid. The bright side is that there are 11 new manus. The bad side will take some explaining.
In the beginning, the OE was left mostly to its own devices, except for dealing with some revolts for France in the COTs we sold them. It would be silly for them to go back to us after all. Money was saved, LT was researched, and soon 7 manus, 6 weapons and 1 goods, rose to show the new power of the ottoman empire! Honestly not that impressive, but with the massive neighbor bonus and large investment I managed to reach LT 35 before it was too late and Drew got bored. LT 41 is also in the near future. Anyways, Austria got bored and decided to attack Moldavia. As you know they are the OE's vassal. We couldn't have that, could we? With only 1 CRT behind and a 500k man standing army, I felt that I should act to defend my sovereign property. Russia and Sweden backed me, but Spain decided that any DoW against Austria would mean a Spanish DoW, which we all of course know simply means that Spain wants to move into North Africa. Anyways, Spain attacked and annexed North Africa, and I was too busy getting annihilated by the superior Austrian tech and leaders to do anything about it. Spain soon declared war on me, to the extreme distaste of just about everyone, since everyone else acknowledged that Austria had started this war and Spain's reason for war was a cover for a landgrab. With massive international support the OE made a deal. The release of KoJ as a Spanish vassal. While distasteful to the Ottoman Empire, it let us bring the full brunt of our forces to bear on Austria, which were much reduced to about 300k by this time, though many more soldiers were being raised and trained. Claiming DotF kept our morale on an almost even level with the Austrians, who couldn't do the same because France had already claimed the title. Somewhere in the middle of this mess a saviour arrived to aid the OE. Russia, and unlikely source of help due to past history between the two nations, intervened on the OE's behalf. With Russian technology and manpower, plus DotF, and with funding from Russia's faithful ally and the Empire's good friend Sweden, Austria was now in trouble. What followed was 3 or 4 years of Russian advance and Austrian stall on the Ottoman front, followed by an Austrian collapse when their thinned ranks of about 45k met an Imperial force of approximately 110k. The result effectively broke the Austrian army in the south until the closing year of the war, but the OE lacked substantial artillery and has very bad luck against forts in assaults, inhibiting the recapture of European provinces. To make matters worse, the huge territorial losses and the many defeats the Empire had suffered resulted in more or less constant stab hitting peace offers, but despite close to 4 years of revolts and setbacks the empire refused to give in, knowing that abandoning Russia when she had come to our aid would be a cruel, horrible thing for the Empire to do. We held fast to honor and suffered through the bad times, astounding Austria and causing considerable difficulty in West Africa and Persia. The Austrians eventually capitulated, and we offered a very generous peace in conjunction with Russia. We simply demanded the return of Moldavia, and proceeded to re-release it as a vassal. All in all a pointless and extremely damaging war that has given Spain footholds in Ottoman territory that I am sure will soon be used to attempt to take most or all of West Africa from the Empire. However our reasonability at the bargaining table soon paid off, as Austria and out newfound friend Russia sent forces in to aid us against the dispicable rebels...however, worse times were still to come...
Just as the last of the rebels in Persia were about to be defeated, Civil War broke out! In an empire on the scale of ours, this meant extremely serious difficulty. Many nations sent aid to restabilize the empire, and special thanks goes to Russia, Austria, and Sweden. Without you all, the empire would certainly have fallen into absolute chaos. I'd also like to thank HG for sending me money to construct more troops when I ran out, which frankly surprised me a great deal....my war chest had been huge. It is especially considerate when you take into account that he was in a massive war against Prussia at the time, and took time out of his fighting to aid the Empire. England was silent during this time, while Spain looked on hungrily.
I don't know how far back the current save is, but we got to the point where egypt and anatolia and the balkans were under control, but west africa and persia were in chaos. Mali actually declared independence! Persia may soon as well, though the recently recruited forces from Anatolia that will be arriving soon will do much to quell the unrest, and the forces already in the Arab peninsula will probably be sufficient to retake all the revolting provinces there. Zanzibar and Socotra are problems at the moment, as obviously they require fleet assets to recapture and I didn't have the time while trying to stop the revolts elsewhere. Krete is also in revolt though the main fleet with some soldiers has been attacking it for a while. West Africa is probably going to be the most difficult to repair, as most of it is in full revolt and it is very difficult to raise soldiers there. Persia is also annoying because it contains a pair of huge rebel armies, in excess of 20k and 30k respectively. But we have foreign aid in Persia, but not in West Africa. Enlisting the aid of France or Prussia is probably the only viable alternative to naval redeployment from the middle east or anatolia. The presence of 40k or so Prussians makes them the most attractive prospect for us to request aid from.
I'm not sure how much of this will be true in the current autosave.... unfortunately, this leads to a degree of uncertainty. However, either way I strongly advise you to watch out for Spain, he will be attacking you in the near future if I am not mistaken, and try to reach LT 41 ASAP, as it will allow you to go almost toe to toe with most european powers, perhaps even better due to 5 ducat infantry and massive MP and support limit, even without CCs! Once LT 41 is reached and CCs are built, OE will once again be a force to be reckoned with. I strongly advise using your money to purchase weapons and goods manus, in about equal proportions. At this point you aren't going to be getting much from trade, but you can still always use the infrastructure that the goods manus provide and also the increased production efficiency. Lastly, once your alliance runs out again you will be sure that the mughals have been vassalized for 30 years, making annexation a very real possibility. Oh yeah, also I couldn't get Delhi to accept vassalization sorry However they are allied, so you can have fun trying.
In conclusion, if you are still entangled (literally *enormous wink*) next week, I'd love to play for you again. I enjoyed the game, but I feel really bad about leaving you with a nation in the middle of a civil war . So if you are willing to let me, I'd love to play again next week .
In the beginning, the OE was left mostly to its own devices, except for dealing with some revolts for France in the COTs we sold them. It would be silly for them to go back to us after all. Money was saved, LT was researched, and soon 7 manus, 6 weapons and 1 goods, rose to show the new power of the ottoman empire! Honestly not that impressive, but with the massive neighbor bonus and large investment I managed to reach LT 35 before it was too late and Drew got bored. LT 41 is also in the near future. Anyways, Austria got bored and decided to attack Moldavia. As you know they are the OE's vassal. We couldn't have that, could we? With only 1 CRT behind and a 500k man standing army, I felt that I should act to defend my sovereign property. Russia and Sweden backed me, but Spain decided that any DoW against Austria would mean a Spanish DoW, which we all of course know simply means that Spain wants to move into North Africa. Anyways, Spain attacked and annexed North Africa, and I was too busy getting annihilated by the superior Austrian tech and leaders to do anything about it. Spain soon declared war on me, to the extreme distaste of just about everyone, since everyone else acknowledged that Austria had started this war and Spain's reason for war was a cover for a landgrab. With massive international support the OE made a deal. The release of KoJ as a Spanish vassal. While distasteful to the Ottoman Empire, it let us bring the full brunt of our forces to bear on Austria, which were much reduced to about 300k by this time, though many more soldiers were being raised and trained. Claiming DotF kept our morale on an almost even level with the Austrians, who couldn't do the same because France had already claimed the title. Somewhere in the middle of this mess a saviour arrived to aid the OE. Russia, and unlikely source of help due to past history between the two nations, intervened on the OE's behalf. With Russian technology and manpower, plus DotF, and with funding from Russia's faithful ally and the Empire's good friend Sweden, Austria was now in trouble. What followed was 3 or 4 years of Russian advance and Austrian stall on the Ottoman front, followed by an Austrian collapse when their thinned ranks of about 45k met an Imperial force of approximately 110k. The result effectively broke the Austrian army in the south until the closing year of the war, but the OE lacked substantial artillery and has very bad luck against forts in assaults, inhibiting the recapture of European provinces. To make matters worse, the huge territorial losses and the many defeats the Empire had suffered resulted in more or less constant stab hitting peace offers, but despite close to 4 years of revolts and setbacks the empire refused to give in, knowing that abandoning Russia when she had come to our aid would be a cruel, horrible thing for the Empire to do. We held fast to honor and suffered through the bad times, astounding Austria and causing considerable difficulty in West Africa and Persia. The Austrians eventually capitulated, and we offered a very generous peace in conjunction with Russia. We simply demanded the return of Moldavia, and proceeded to re-release it as a vassal. All in all a pointless and extremely damaging war that has given Spain footholds in Ottoman territory that I am sure will soon be used to attempt to take most or all of West Africa from the Empire. However our reasonability at the bargaining table soon paid off, as Austria and out newfound friend Russia sent forces in to aid us against the dispicable rebels...however, worse times were still to come...
Just as the last of the rebels in Persia were about to be defeated, Civil War broke out! In an empire on the scale of ours, this meant extremely serious difficulty. Many nations sent aid to restabilize the empire, and special thanks goes to Russia, Austria, and Sweden. Without you all, the empire would certainly have fallen into absolute chaos. I'd also like to thank HG for sending me money to construct more troops when I ran out, which frankly surprised me a great deal....my war chest had been huge. It is especially considerate when you take into account that he was in a massive war against Prussia at the time, and took time out of his fighting to aid the Empire. England was silent during this time, while Spain looked on hungrily.
I don't know how far back the current save is, but we got to the point where egypt and anatolia and the balkans were under control, but west africa and persia were in chaos. Mali actually declared independence! Persia may soon as well, though the recently recruited forces from Anatolia that will be arriving soon will do much to quell the unrest, and the forces already in the Arab peninsula will probably be sufficient to retake all the revolting provinces there. Zanzibar and Socotra are problems at the moment, as obviously they require fleet assets to recapture and I didn't have the time while trying to stop the revolts elsewhere. Krete is also in revolt though the main fleet with some soldiers has been attacking it for a while. West Africa is probably going to be the most difficult to repair, as most of it is in full revolt and it is very difficult to raise soldiers there. Persia is also annoying because it contains a pair of huge rebel armies, in excess of 20k and 30k respectively. But we have foreign aid in Persia, but not in West Africa. Enlisting the aid of France or Prussia is probably the only viable alternative to naval redeployment from the middle east or anatolia. The presence of 40k or so Prussians makes them the most attractive prospect for us to request aid from.
I'm not sure how much of this will be true in the current autosave.... unfortunately, this leads to a degree of uncertainty. However, either way I strongly advise you to watch out for Spain, he will be attacking you in the near future if I am not mistaken, and try to reach LT 41 ASAP, as it will allow you to go almost toe to toe with most european powers, perhaps even better due to 5 ducat infantry and massive MP and support limit, even without CCs! Once LT 41 is reached and CCs are built, OE will once again be a force to be reckoned with. I strongly advise using your money to purchase weapons and goods manus, in about equal proportions. At this point you aren't going to be getting much from trade, but you can still always use the infrastructure that the goods manus provide and also the increased production efficiency. Lastly, once your alliance runs out again you will be sure that the mughals have been vassalized for 30 years, making annexation a very real possibility. Oh yeah, also I couldn't get Delhi to accept vassalization sorry
However they are allied, so you can have fun trying. In conclusion, if you are still entangled (literally *enormous wink*) next week, I'd love to play for you again. I enjoyed the game, but I feel really bad about leaving you with a nation in the middle of a civil war
. So if you are willing to let me, I'd love to play again next week .
Austria set out immediately to vassalize the Ottoman Empire when they denied us such a prestigious right, a union of Turk and Austrian<of Greek and German families across the Balkans>. This however failed miserably with the arrival of the Russians on the scene. In the Balkans vs the Ottomans our tactics proved fine, strong leaders and massive rushes...Hundreds of thousands of Turks impaled themselves on our Spears in their own Rush to save their Homeland. The Russians went as far as Vienna and captured our Capitol, the damage wasn't so extensive. Partly what killed us in the East was inferior Tactics and troop composition on the part of the Archduke. All the whole a fun but miserable campaign, I expected much more out of my men and many hundreds of thousands payed their lives on both fronts.
In the West, the Great Fritalian and Prussian Empires clashed.. The Northern German Proved that his whit and natural Warrior Instinct was hard to beat. We watched as Superior Leadership, tactics and manuevering won the day. These series of Defeats inflicted by the Prussians are slowly setting back the abomidable aspect of the Fritalians, and perhaps humbling them slightly...
English performed superbly in the face a Monsterous onslaught! Prevented Fritaly and Sweden BOTH! Give them a pat on the back, that was something else.. The defense of the Passage was skillful!
Tonight was fun, bloody, and we look forward to staple players next week and old rivalries!
In the West, the Great Fritalian and Prussian Empires clashed.. The Northern German Proved that his whit and natural Warrior Instinct was hard to beat. We watched as Superior Leadership, tactics and manuevering won the day. These series of Defeats inflicted by the Prussians are slowly setting back the abomidable aspect of the Fritalians, and perhaps humbling them slightly...
English performed superbly in the face a Monsterous onslaught! Prevented Fritaly and Sweden BOTH! Give them a pat on the back, that was something else.. The defense of the Passage was skillful!
Tonight was fun, bloody, and we look forward to staple players next week and old rivalries!
if i stay too peaceful,u say i m hyperteching
if i dow,u force me at peace talking about gang
beh,at least some1 send me an insult,coz i never dow without cb
i d like to have a 1vs1 with england,if he agrees
but also sweden is fine,or,why not,prussia
is a pity,btw,not have a leader generator : spain really sucks under this profile
edit : i ve not played smart,yesterday : i ve really took useless 5 bb,annexing north africa.I could really ask diploannexion and edited at me,in peace deal
if i dow,u force me at peace talking about gang
beh,at least some1 send me an insult,coz i never dow without cb
i d like to have a 1vs1 with england,if he agrees
but also sweden is fine,or,why not,prussia
is a pity,btw,not have a leader generator : spain really sucks under this profile
edit : i ve not played smart,yesterday : i ve really took useless 5 bb,annexing north africa.I could really ask diploannexion and edited at me,in peace deal
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Count Drew said:
beh,i m not much surprised : he is a nappier :rofl:
btw,i cant understand why landing in a kent with 180k enemies and not in a free london or in wessex
One thing about this game that is sort of off, is the Vassalization of Russia by Sweden. I noticed when I was fighting Sweden, he had about 3Xs the troops any Sweden in the history of the game has ever had. Don't you guys think that's a bit too gamey? I mean I could offer Vassalization to Prussia, I'd probably give him a Minor boost and he'd probably reimburse me? Fritaly-Spain-England?
Otherwise the Austrians being the enemies of Sweden-Russia Combo with between them near Equal Manpower is a bit disheartening isn't it? I tried to make OE mien, failed utterly... Plus I just don't have the income to stand on my on two feet so what's the point?
A Habsbourg Union or German Union would have some sort of Historical Feel, in comparison with a Russo-Swede match which is completely Ahistorical... I don't think that this should be allowed in future games by 'edit' at least
I'll place the save up on the site if someone would give me the link again? I forgot it. I'm going back in history with oldsave, as as I said remarkably 3 whole saves!!! Are ruined How?
Otherwise the Austrians being the enemies of Sweden-Russia Combo with between them near Equal Manpower is a bit disheartening isn't it? I tried to make OE mien, failed utterly... Plus I just don't have the income to stand on my on two feet so what's the point?
A Habsbourg Union or German Union would have some sort of Historical Feel, in comparison with a Russo-Swede match which is completely Ahistorical... I don't think that this should be allowed in future games by 'edit' at least
I'll place the save up on the site if someone would give me the link again? I forgot it. I'm going back in history with oldsave, as as I said remarkably 3 whole saves!!! Are ruined
How?
Count Drew said:One thing about this game that is sort of off, is the Vassalization of Russia by Sweden. I noticed when I was fighting Sweden, he had about 3Xs the troops any Sweden in the history of the game has ever had. Don't you guys think that's a bit too gamey? I mean I could offer Vassalization to Prussia, I'd probably give him a Minor boost and he'd probably reimburse me? Fritaly-Spain-England?
Otherwise the Austrians being the enemies of Sweden-Russia Combo with between them near Equal Manpower is a bit disheartening isn't it? I tried to make OE mien, failed utterly... Plus I just don't have the income to stand on my on two feet so what's the point?
A Habsbourg Union or German Union would have some sort of Historical Feel, in comparison with a Russo-Swede match which is completely Ahistorical... I don't think that this should be allowed in future games by 'edit' at least
I'll place the save up on the site if someone would give me the link again? I forgot it. I'm going back in history with oldsave, as as I said remarkably 3 whole saves!!! Are ruined
actually when hg edited it he forgot to delete the enddate as he used rm to edit this vassal to be sure about id , the vassal now has been done ingame
another note is , simple bocaj instructions where clear russia was to protect ottos if austria tryd to take bites out of ottos , however you also forget russia and sweden where subbed , my mp is high but it isn't asgood as other peoples mp , i do have less we , higher support and igher max mp but refilling this mp during a war is stil much slower thus only useful in smaller and shorter wars
russi being vassal of sweden might be ahistoricle but since when does it have to be historicle to be alowed ? besides you attemting to vassal ottos was good try but wrong done as ottos would wan't to break free if forced , russia got every reason to not do so as he benefits from it as i do and alliance in general does
besides nothing realy historicle in this game left , france controls entire italy , spain got china and malaka trade , sweden got scan united ect
besides drew , russia and sweden are only youre enemy tho previous actions
i'm confident you can have peace if you offer it , however it mostly depends on bocaj as i have no intrest in fighting austria constantly unles you attempt something wich russians don't like
i'm confident you can have peace if you offer it , however it mostly depends on bocaj as i have no intrest in fighting austria constantly unles you attempt something wich russians don't like
btw did veilwalker agree to deal for selling those cots to france or sub did ? as it does seem a very weird deal selling all cots except capitol
I discussed it with the sub and ultimately allowed him to make the decision that he felt was best since the sessions run so long and so many years usually pass I thought any decision made would have a definite impact on the session that he was subbing and thus I allowed him to make the decision that he felt would be the best for the OE. I do not know the specifics of the agreement between the OE and France since the sub did the negotiations.
hehe its certianly the worst deal I ever seen... and I ofcourse mean for OE, its a excellent deal for HG and his France. But Very very very stupid play by OE.Veilwalker said: