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Your support was 537k in 1705, ours 373k and 273k. That's only 110k less, which your economy could've easily balanced out ;) . If you didn't build over your support, I still had over 50k in West Africa that I didn't use, to maybe 20k of yours in the colonies.

We had about 300 MP to your 230(considering at least 25 of mine came from vassals, not contributing to yearly mp gain). You however had Villars, which neither of us could match, and I would say made up for the mp difference.
I believe you used mercs rather frequently also.

It was morale that tipped the scales in our favor, especially during the assaults, but other than that I think it was nearly even.
 

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King John said:
Your support was 537k in 1705, ours 373k and 273k. That's only 110k less, which your economy could've easily balanced out ;) . If you didn't build over your support, I still had over 50k in West Africa that I didn't use, to maybe 20k of yours in the colonies.

We had about 300 MP to your 230(considering at least 25 of mine came from vassals, not contributing to yearly mp gain). You however had Villars, which neither of us could match, and I would say made up for the mp difference.
I believe you used mercs rather frequently also.

It was morale that tipped the scales in our favor, especially during the assaults, but other than that I think it was nearly even.

Fairly accurate recounting. Villars was very powerful, more so than I suspected he would be. Von Traun was much weaker than I thought he would be, and the only advantage I had really against HG all war was when I took him in Italy. It was pretty much a Prussian and French Affair about that. I used my Superior Aristocratic Stance, and a Flanking Manuever to Grab Lombardia and crush the French Armies there, but soon afterwards he dragged me into Mountains and Forest Terrain where my troops were worthless. I had plenty of Infantry and I sent them in, and initially they took the Alasce Region well, but they couldn't compete with French Cav he had in the background, building up in the initial defense of Paris. When the Victory Conditions suddenly changed I was a bit screwed by this, but Prussia adapted well. The Capitol nolonger mattered and I'd prepared with plenty of my own Cav to assualt French Plains and attempt to Route Villars in the backdrop, or French Cav building in his Rear Provinces-Italy...

The end result of this war was very tough, I barely survived with Traun and Mercy<Mercy fought 1 or 2 battles> Eugen may have tipped the balance a bit in our favor but with Villars the extra support limit is barely worth mentioning. I was recruiting Mercs like crazy, and running out of Troops the entire War. I barely could field more than 100k at one point if that. I know that someone else was draining the Pool as much as me, as I had to time it just right to get nab any Mercs for myself!

Also the victory conditions were changed almost 3 Xs which made this even 'ten times harder' for the Germans. First it was Capitols.. Then Brabant-Lombardia-Mantua then I was informed it was Mantua-Lombardia-Romagna and they even wanted to throw in another Italian I had to nab with virtually no men to do it at the time< I rallyed quick and the Prussians held the Northern Line taking Paris in order for me to succeed>

I really nearly failed, did poorly and wouldn't want to re-fight that war. It was fun, but Austria was obviously the weaker of the 3 powers... The only thing that would make me at all formidable is a defensive War... In that case HG would've been in deep doodoo, he never came close to Wein and he never would've.

Austria alone is never going to be a Match for either Prussia or France. She hasn't half the support of France, also 1/6th the income.
 

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Drew,

Actually, changing victory conditions hurt me more than you.

Had we used those from the beginning, France would've won within a year. And had we stuck with capitols, we would've stalemated out.

Still, I agree with John. Pretty even odds. Slight edge due to morale and manpower to you guys, and the fact that there were two of you, but generally... A good run. Villars, though, was off-set by my land DP.

I think France can only do either serfdom or land. It can't do both.
 

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Drew,

Actually, changing victory conditions hurt me more than you.

Had we used those from the beginning, France would've won within a year. And had we stuck with capitols, we would've stalemated out.

Still, I agree with John. Pretty even odds. Slight edge due to morale and manpower to you guys, and the fact that there were two of you, but generally... A good run. Villars, though, was off-set by my land DP.

I think France can only do either serfdom or land. It can't do both.

Well, as I recall, I stated my objectives.. 3 cores.. Brabant-Lombardia and Mantua. Misinpretation or whatever, as Prussia took Brabant for no apparent reason then and I could've easily taken Romagna and Mantua after hitting Lombardia had I known what was desired for Victory Conditions.<ending our Fiasco in a few months not a year, for my side not yours> I suppose some thought that the 'equation' was unfair and thus decided to change them. Nevertheless, KJ's brilliance prevailed<good Fighter>. Instead of Freeing my Territory in Alasce-Luxembourg and Pfalz, I was stuck clashing heads in Plains Artois which was a complete waste. My Infantry stationed North, my Cav stationed South. Effectively screwing me... If not for Prussian Genius, and organization, I would've be out... Likely lost a lot of territory but unlikely Vienna. Most of the time I sat idle in Alasce with a bunch of Cav for a Parisian Assualt when the Final decision was made to switch objectives. Next time, more clearly stated objectives need to be hatched out before a War is pursued. I feel that Prussia and Austria won 3 of 3 Objectives and were not rewarded. Paris fell, and I believe it would've regardless of French resistance.
Austria only won on the Italian Front and that's because France couldn't afford to split it's Cavalry nor great Shock Leader.

Paris fell along with the original agreed objectives. Prussia is a "Power"... Austria is merely a tag-along.

I know that more inexperienced hands held power in Vienna before I did, planting Full Inno, leaving Balkans to OE and being unable to trade at all leaves me in a tough spot, I've tried to do what I can do. Austria should've expanded 3 fold what it had before I took it over...150 years of fiddling...I have given Mouth to Mouth to the Poor little Central Euro. I think that if I had all of Italy, maybe I would be a contender, that and Pluto/FreeTrade<Trade Tech no InfraTech early>, 2 more CoTs. Though otherwise not being able to hit 200-250 Income makes you effectively 'worthless'. I doubt that Austria will afford more than 4-5 CCs.. France will have one in every Province. That means that in about 50 years your Support limit could be 3 fold mien. Even Prussia is a bit smaller, just fortunate to have some High MP Provinces under his Rule.. I really think the end game here will not include much of an Austria. I will have to follow one of you Giants as a Minor Contender. Complementing you or another


France is a Beautiful Nation. She possesses, numerous CoTs, vast Manpower, Leadership beyond any others, and by watching soon she'll have a High Seas Fleet with an Admiratly to be admired. Her Morale for Land is a bit laggy, but she can with the proper terrain and manuevering outplay 'most'. She'll have some trouble without her leaders on the offensive, but otherwise she may very well prove to be a Monster :)

Who can contend, it'll take a Combo, only that can take her. Neither Prussia nor Austria could've done it Alone, I think that is a 'fact', nor could any other nation on Earth do it alone, longterm.... Russia, maybe
 

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Drew,

Sure, but you only took Paris because I made a mad dash for Italy.

Because of the changed objectives.

And yes, Prussia is definitely a major. France is definitely stronger economically and navally than she's been in all but a handful of games. The morale is the one decision I regret-I sacrificed it to cohesion and money. I think she can go serfdom or naval, but not both.

Nonetheless, very satisfied with the game is it is. Though I must say, reconquest of Fritalian territory and completion of the Reunion are immediate national goals. ;)
 

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Drew,

Pop onto ICQ when you get a chance.
 

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All,

Any edits aside from those I already know about?
 

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All,

I just took a look at the stats. Heh.

Total casualties from that pre-41 gentleman's war were 3.5 million. Can you imagine how our peoples would suffer if their rulers weren't so civilized? :D
 

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All,

Drake said we needed a Russian sub.

Duma has signed up.
 

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Veil,

And for a very respectable reason. :D

Have fun. We'll dig someone up.
 

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That's 2 down. We'll need a few competent fellows, Russia is important. OE will be quiet I think for next session, just need a 'stable' player.
 

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Drew,

I think Duma can handle Russia. ;)
 

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229 - 1 - 2 - 186 - 147 - 151 - 149 - 148 at spain

69 - 68 - 88 - 85 - 87 at england
 

admiral drake

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got message that my connection wil be down for few houres due to maintenance tonight so i gave duma the instructions bocaj gave me if duma subs russia

devil will sub sweden , been informed of all i think
and i gave devil a copy of the instructions for russians sub just incase , considering he is playng ally of russia i think was best to give it to him
 

Alfonso V

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evening people! i will subbing Count Drew for 1 hour as i know tonight!
 
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