Territorial to Full core sometimes doesn't cost ADM?

[mvm900]

Hi, I've noticed sometimes when turning a territory into a state I DON'T have to pay any ADM to make them full cores? But I can't like figure out what makes me not have to do that and the wiki doesn't seem to explain, or I am blind.

EX: Doing a Timurid run and turned into the Mughals, Transoxiana and Merv can be turned into states and I automatically get full cores, why?

 

[vaLor-]

Hi, I've noticed sometimes when turning a territory into a state I DON'T have to pay any ADM to make them full cores? But I can't like figure out what makes me not have to do that and the wiki doesn't seem to explain, or I am blind.

EX: Doing a Timurid run and turned into the Mughals, Transoxiana and Merv can be turned into states and I automatically get full cores, why?

Because those provinces were already your (full) cores before you integrated and stated them. You can tell by looking at the diplomatic map mode, where those cores even if unstated will look the same as your stated cores.

 

[firezatswill9]

Hi, I've noticed sometimes when turning a territory into a state I DON'T have to pay any ADM to make them full cores? But I can't like figure out what makes me not have to do that and the wiki doesn't seem to explain, or I am blind.

EX: Doing a Timurid run and turned into the Mughals, Transoxiana and Merv can be turned into states and I automatically get full cores, why?

If you annex a vassal or integrate a PU diplomatically or via inheritance, you get full cores on anything that the integrated nation had fully cored.

So if you integrated France, you would get full cores on their fully cored lands, like Paris. But if they only had a territorial core on something like Madrid, you have to pay the cost to full core it.

And like the person. Above said, if you have cores on a province, you dont need to pay for it to be full cored, or even pay dip for it to be integrated. Like as Byz, you can integrate OPM Athens for free and have a full core on their province.

 

[Nwaij]

To expand on this: If you integrate some other nation diplomatically, the entire new land you just integrated will be territory land (because you did not decide to make it a state yet). But you inehrit all the cores of the nation - full cores will still be full cores, territory states will still be territory cores. So if you now state some of your recently acquired land with full cores, you do not need to pay anything, because they already ARE full cores.

 

[WhiskyGlen]

I may be wrong, but let's say I have a four province territory and only control one province. If I elevate it to a state and fully core it, it doesn't seem like I have to double core anything when I conquer the rest. I imagine both the territorial and state core are part of it in those cases, but it sure doesn't feel like it. Perhaps because I use admin ideas as my first idea group anyways....

 

[Nostalgium]

I may be wrong, but let's say I have a four province territory and only control one province. If I elevate it to a state and fully core it, it doesn't seem like I have to double core anything when I conquer the rest. I imagine both the territorial and state core are part of it in those cases, but it sure doesn't feel like it.

When you conquer a province in a partially controlled State, the core cost will be both the Territorial and Full core price baked into one.

 

[WhiskyGlen]

When you conquer a province in a partially controlled State, the core cost will be both the Territorial and Full core price baked into one.

Ok, that makes sense then. Like I mentioned, I think the reduction in core creation costs helps make that less noticeable.

 

[TK3600]

If you annex a vassal or integrate a PU diplomatically or via inheritance, you get full cores on anything that the integrated nation had fully cored.

So if you integrated France, you would get full cores on their fully cored lands, like Paris. But if they only had a territorial core on something like Madrid, you have to pay the cost to full core it.

And like the person. Above said, if you have cores on a province, you dont need to pay for it to be full cored, or even pay dip for it to be integrated. Like as Byz, you can integrate OPM Athens for free and have a full core on their province.

Wow I didnt know this. Lets say you have scotland as vassal integerated, and didnt have all the cores, you can now declare on UK for rest of Scotish core? And it is better to cheaply annex Scotland while they are fewer province than feed them all cores??

 

[Nwaij]

Wow I didnt know this. Lets say you have scotland as vassal integerated, and didnt have all the cores, you can now declare on UK for rest of Scotish core? And it is better to cheaply annex Scotland while they are fewer province than feed them all cores??

You only inherit their cores on their land that they control at integration. So feed them all their cores 1st is the way to go.