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I'd just like to point one thing out.

Alot of people here seem to be under the misconception that by DLing a game distrobuted by a release group, you instantly are putting cash in their pockets.

You don't, release groups make money doing what they do, but not through any conventional way you might think. The majority of warez is distro'd through 3rd or 4th party distro ftp's, warez didn't really go mainstream until BT and IRC.

You are not giving money to a release group by DLing anything, unless you subscribe to a payed FTP group or something like that. You are only stealing (I say only not to belittle, but to say you're JUST stealing, not paying the guys who originally stole it as well).

Generally speaking, authorities really don't care a bit about users. They want distro's and release groups. I happen to know through mmorpgs the former head of one of the biggest release groups. He ran this group in the early 90's and back then they DID make a killing. However, they were infiltrated and taken down to the tune of a lawsuit totalling in the hundreds of millions of dollars, obviously those busted didnt have that cash so they ended up filing bankruptcy etc. This group has only just resurfaced as a major player.

Like MP3 file sharing, it really comes down to the industry itself to pursue the individual user. Using an analogy, where is law enforcements money better spent, busting the dealers of narcotics, or busting the average joe on the street? Cutting off the head is the best way to do it, so that is where the majority of time and effort is spent.

Piracy is a funny thing, because often times, the targets of the pirates are the huge companies that make a killing, provide very little support and over price the product. But in their all encompassing pursuit of fr33 gamez, they hurt the little guy terribly, like Paradox, that gives unparalleled support to their products and generally put out games unlike anything else mass produced marketed and packaged for mass consumption. That is the real tragedy here. The big companies, the targets don't feel the pinch in the purse, the little ones that get caught in the crossfire do.

Now, everyone of you that reads this better buy the game, or Invader Canuck will come to your house with a sawed off shutgun stalking from room to room pumping shot after shot into your twitching lifeless bodies! ;)
 

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Don't we have enough militant Canadians on the forum already? ;)

Regardless, when you download a pirated game, someone is benefiting, and it ain't Paradox. If you get it from a pay Warez site, that site gets your money. If you get it from a free Warez site, they get money from all the pr0n ads that pop up when you enter. If you get it from mIRC, then you are helping pump up the rating of the distributor group. Worst of all, if you get it from a file-sharing service like Bit Torrent, you are actually distributing it while you download, so you are directly helping someone else steal the game.

The point is, no matter how you get it, you help perpetuate and reward the piracy. Sure the sad loser who initially hacked may not get any money from it, but he now has something else to contribute to "the scene" (his words not mine), where he'll pick up even more pirated goods in exchange for his contribution. It might not matter to some, but I will never reward those who distribute pirated Paradox products in any way whatsoever.
 

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Fear Joe Schmuck

Originally posted by DGuller
Every game is pirated, just because Victoria has also been stolen doesn't automatically mean that Paradox will go broke
True, but pre-release pirate copies always steal a fair amount of the impulsive-buys once a game hits the shelves, as a significant number of potential buyers from the legit/pirate demographic [this group is huge, especially amongst students] will have a copy already and will choose to buy another game.

If Joe Smuck, a fellow who does not really feel like a criminal for getting pirated games, he probably doesn't even pay for them, and he buys as many originals as he feels he can afford* - so nobody loses any money, right? So even though it is strictly speaking illegal, he is not hurting anybody, right? [ah, the lies we humans tell ourselves] - nevertheless despite pecuniary shortcomings want to play both game A and game B, and has access to a copy of game B at home, he is, all else being equal, very likely to buy game A. Sure, he may honestly intend to buy game B next month, when he can afford another game, and who knows, he might even do it. Typically, Joe Schmuck won't, unless it really catches his fancy, as it turns out that there is a new game C, highly hyped, next month, and while B was certainly interesting, he has been playing it for a month, and it is time for something new.

Fear Joe Schmuck. There are multitudes of gamers just like him, and a certain percentage of the Schmuck's will be interested in your game, and you need them to have the option to buy your game before they can get it pirated. You need your game to be bought from the shelves in the initial offering, or, worst case, your game just might not have any significant shelf-life at all.

Having a game pirated before release is, financially, much worse than having it pirated a few days after..



* This is not, necessarily, the same as what he could afford, if pirated versions were not available, but Joe Schmuck prefers not to think of that.
 

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Re: Fear Joe Schmuck

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen

Fear Joe Schmuck. There are multitudes of gamers just like him, and a certain percentage of the Schmuck's will be interested in your game, and you need them to have the option to buy your game before they can get it pirated.

Yeah, but how many Joe schmuck's want a game about 19th industrialisation? Vicky is a fairly nitch game for strategy gamers and the marjority of Joe schmucks would not play vicky if you gave it to them free.
 

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Re: Re: Fear Joe Schmuck

Originally posted by Darkrenown
Yeah, but how many Joe schmuck's want a game about 19th industrialisation? Vicky is a fairly nitch game for strategy gamers and the marjority of Joe schmucks would not play vicky if you gave it to them free.
1%, or even 0.1%, of a sufficiently large group (and the Joe Schmucks of the gaming world number in the millions) can still mean thousands of copies, and for a niché producer, thousands of copies matter.
 
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Support the software companies. If you play this game BUY it!
Fuckers.

I say we each take 50 bucks and post a bounty on their heads.
 
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You need your game to be bought from the shelves in the initial offering, or, worst case, your game just might not have any significant shelf-life at all.

what shelves?howmany countries are you publishing in?6?8?
just get them on as much shelves as you can,or have some download scheme for nations where you for some reason dont publish instead of putting your energy in to sending beta copies to 'no hit' review sites wich leak most of the games cause usualy it is that alot of these reviewers are just online buddy's ,and THEY are the one's leaking it,i know reviews are needed but dont send the stuff to 2nd grade game sites or this will happen>>>>>>>>>>
You think you can contribute to the scene too? You have one or more talents in:

Edited out pirate advertisement --- Dark Knight
 
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Prat.


Just why did you copy and paste that:mad:
 

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You publicise pirates on the forum of a software company who has just had their latest release pirated before it was even on sale.

Don't you think this is a little insensitive?
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I think King Marco III was only trying to point out the active recruitment attempts of pirates on reviewers, couriers, &etc, as an argument against letting too many reviewers get the game, but I must admit that a bit of judicious editing - such as not copying the rest of the .nfo, for instance - would have made it clearer.
 
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Im not mother theresa,this is a FORUM isnt it?
ofcourse i feel bad duhh but that does not mean i cant discuss hot topics ad get called an arse by some one who doesnt know me.
everytime someone says something thats hot or smells like a flame he gets called a moron an ass or whatever,you know you realy should read, and not react populist like.
me reacting does not mean i support piracy or such.
im just informing people who obviously dont know how they work,and now they do,what could be wrong with that?all you do is call people who participate an ass.
ive used this one before but........
if your salary is being paid by tax reveneus immigrating to zimbabwe sounds good enough for me.
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I think King Marco III was only trying to point out the active recruitment attempts of pirates on reviewers, couriers, &etc, as an argument against letting too many reviewers get the game, but I must admit that a bit of judicious editing - such as not copying the rest of the .nfo, for instance - would have made it clearer.

You got it ,i tried copy pasteing it but it wouldnt get it all .....prolly coss of all the asci crap.
and no it wasnt an nfo of vicktoria.
im just trying to point things out to paradox guys,if taken bad ,then ban me or such and ignore the FACTS.
like i said i was just trying to fill in the gaps.

Peter

such as not copying the rest of the .nfo, for instance - would have made it clearer.


these .nfo's you can get anywhere with mp3s etc, they come with spyware, backdoors, games,manipulated websites etc.

just dont ignore or shoot me for knowing something.
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Edited the answer on the quote.
 

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Originally posted by IEX Totalview
Don't we have enough militant Canadians on the forum already? ;)

Regardless, when you download a pirated game, someone is benefiting, and it ain't Paradox. If you get it from a pay Warez site, that site gets your money. If you get it from a free Warez site, they get money from all the pr0n ads that pop up when you enter. If you get it from mIRC, then you are helping pump up the rating of the distributor group. Worst of all, if you get it from a file-sharing service like Bit Torrent, you are actually distributing it while you download, so you are directly helping someone else steal the game.

The point is, no matter how you get it, you help perpetuate and reward the piracy. Sure the sad loser who initially hacked may not get any money from it, but he now has something else to contribute to "the scene" (his words not mine), where he'll pick up even more pirated goods in exchange for his contribution. It might not matter to some, but I will never reward those who distribute pirated Paradox products in any way whatsoever.

IEX Totalview sums it up quite nicely, software piracy is wrong.

As to not enough militant Canadians! Whach u talk'n bout Willis? You can not ever have enough of those. :)
 

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WHAT?!?

Hordes of ungrateful warez kiddy-trash get their unwashed hands on this divine game an entire month sooner than my humble person?

Outrageous. Simply outrageous.
 
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Peter i would realy like to have an answer on the first quote\reaction in my first post in this thread.
and do you think your distribution scheme will change in the future?
greetz
marco
i realy have tons of in depth questions but ill be called an ass again i guess, some people just dont want to know how it realy works in the software world,or in general for that matter.

1 solution:a demo disc wich contains ie linux and the game and can be booted from and immediatly starts the game with a time limit.there a few xamples like that.
by the way will there ever be a linux port?:+)
 

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Originally posted by King Marco III

just dont ignore or shoot me for knowing something.
You will not be shot for knowing something - hell, anybody who invests a bit of time in checking piracy WILL come across .nfo's, and they are all vain and boastful - but you might be shot for quoting humongous pieces of pirate propaganda that do not directly bear on your point. If nothing else, it will easily be seen as exceedingly bad taste, even if you did not intend it so.

Additionally, I would urge you to use traditional English grammar, punctuation, and paragraph-breaking. Your broken style is hell on non-native speakers of English (of which we are many on this forum) and reads like a teenager on steroids (which you are almost certainly not). Please show a bit of compassion and write in what most people would classify as ordinary English. The style you are using now is so very easy to misunderstand. :)
 
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