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I would like to understand the technology research process better. Can anyone help me with these questions?

1. Are there penalties for researching ahead? If so, what are the dates/levels/penalties (or where can I find this information)?
2. Does the research focus apply to your capital county, your entire desmene or to your entire realm?
3. Does technology get more expensive at higher levels? If so, by what amount?
 

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My understanding from the Help tip is that the focus applies only to your capital county.
 

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I would like to understand the technology research process better. Can anyone help me with these questions?

1. Are there penalties for researching ahead? If so, what are the dates/levels/penalties (or where can I find this information)?
2. Does the research focus apply to your capital county, your entire desmene or to your entire realm?
3. Does technology get more expensive at higher levels? If so, by what amount?

1, yes they are 1066 lvl 1, 1163 lvl 2, 1259 lvl 3, 1356 lvl 4, and 1453 lvl 5. If you are ahead of that tech level, you take a penalty, behind you get a bonus.
2. Focus applies everywhere, advisors applies only where you send them.
3. The question doesn't make sense. Tech doesn't have a cost, it has a chance of being discovered. That chance is effected by being ahead or behind, by focus, by advisors, by neighbors, and by demesne having the tech. Neighbor bonus is itself effected by religion.
the below might help explain
defines.lua said:
BASE_TECH_GROWTH_CHANCE = 0.012, --Base chance of a progress ( 1/10 of a level ) increase
BASE_NEIGHBOUR_SPREAD_BONUS = 0.15, --bonus for each neighbour with the tech
NEIGHBOUR_SAME_RELIGON_GROUP_MULT = 2.0, --multiplier to the above bonus if neighbour is of your religious group
BASE_DEMESNE_SPREAD_BONUS = 0.25, --bonus for each other province in demesne with the tech
FOCUS_BONUS = 2.0, --bonus for the tech in each group set as the focus

IDEAL_YEAR_LEVEL_1 = 1066, --the chance to get a progress to this level will increase after this date and decrease before it
IDEAL_YEAR_LEVEL_2 = 1163,
IDEAL_YEAR_LEVEL_3 = 1259,
IDEAL_YEAR_LEVEL_4 = 1356,
IDEAL_YEAR_LEVEL_5 = 1453,

BASE_DEMESNE_SPREAD_BONUS = 0.25, --bonus for each other province in demesne with the tech
That btw is a great incentive for crusading.
 
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I would like to understand the technology research process better. Can anyone help me with these questions?

1. Are there penalties for researching ahead? If so, what are the dates/levels/penalties (or where can I find this information)?

Yes. The dates are somewhere in the files, but basically the game is 400 years, give or take. There are 5 tech levels, so it breaks down to:

Edit: exact dates in the post above this one.

These aren't exact but if you want the exact dates you can poke around in the files. The penalty starts at -80% and gradually diminishes to 0 at the right date, then turns into a bonus after that date if you still don't have the tech.

2. Does the research focus apply to your capital county, your entire desmene or to your entire realm?

The focus bonus applies to all your demesne provinces. Easy to see by having at least 2 held provinces, then hovering over the tech numbers in the province view. A tooltip will come up showing you exactly how the tech progress percent is calculated.

3. Does technology get more expensive at higher levels? If so, by what amount?

Technology doesn't have a cost. There is a base percentage for it to advance by .1 every year and this base percentage is affected by your learning, your court chaplain's learning, buildings, ahead/behind penalties, neighbor bonuses, demesne bonuses, focus and probably some stuff I'm forgetting. This percentage is calculated for each county, so it's kind of a haphazard process. If you concentrate on "teching up" you can pull ahead, but never by too much and not forever.
 
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Technology doesn't have a cost. There is a base percentage for it to advance by .1 every year and this base percentage is affected by your learning, your court chaplain's learning, buildings, ahead/behind penalties, neighbor bonuses, demesne bonuses, focus and probably some stuff I'm forgetting. This percentage is calculated for each county, so it's kind of a haphazard process. If you concentrate on "teching up" you can pull ahead, but never by too much and not forever.
Ha, I've been trying to figure out the math behind state attributes for a bit now, and I had forgotten about the chaplain. That makes the numbers so much easier.

That state attribute bonus is just the (Ruler+Spouse+Advisor*) skill + (Ruler+Spouse+Chaplain) learning at a 1 to 1 ratio.

*For military martial and marshal, economic is stewardship and steward, culture is diplomacy and chancellor.

Marrying for brains is useful.
 
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A quick and easy way later on to see what you need to focus on : basically the more blue stars, the more you need to focus on as it means the average of your demesne is behind compared to your most advanced county.

Another tip : make sure you build those monastic schools in your counties' bishoprics!