Technology exchange between allied

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In HOI1 I don't like a moment when you only can give 1 technology to other country and you lost our diplomats. I hope that in HOI2 will be system when you can change your technology to money or other minerals. I hope too, then the one allied countries can influence other country technical research (one country research navy, other industrialy....) and then change technology between this countries.

 

[Mork]

Sharing of tech is better left on the floor. If there were no sharing at all I would sleep better.
It's quite unrealistic (atleast to the extent that one could do in HOI). Especially if the receiver of the tech just implement it instantly without any cost. Who ever heard of asault rifles apearing instantly?

And the coast of sharing tech is also redicously low. It's not like a diplomat just handing over the blueprints for an assault rifle (just an egg zample ), someone have to explain how to produce 'em and to produce 'em without a gazillion flaws, not to mention specialized ammo, alloys and so on and so forth.

The sharing of tech should (if at all implemented) be a costly affair for both parties. I.e. a little DI cost plus a temporary drop in IC or research capabilities.

 

[Crusher Bob]

Since tech in HOI represent both the 'skull sweat' of a technology as well as its implementation (factories to build the technology) it odd that sharing technonlogy with another nation essentially causes factories to spring from the ground onces you've handed the paper over. Even the seemingly 'free' doctrine techs are useless until your army is retrained to use them.

The previous suggestions to tech sharing involved only sharing a percentage of the reasearch, representing all the 'thinking'. The last 50% (or whatever) of the research would need to be done by the country receiving the technology, representing their implementation of it.

 

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Besides I think you'd be surprized how little tech transfer happened between the allies during ww2. most of what what transfered was done in the form of retro-engineering.

I suppose Radar, and synthetic Antibiotics may be two exceptions. ( i.e. the brits shared the Radar Tech with US, and the US Synthetic Antibiotics with britain) but still neither shared anything with Russia... you certainly didn't see the US giving away Atomic bomb secrets to anyone.

and I seriously doubt the germans gave ANYTHING to the Italians or Japanese... and vice versa.

besides the actual NEW research done during the war had very limited effect on the battlefield. ( a few notable examples exceted obvioulsy) most of the so called "research" the allies did was just innovation and improvement of existing technologies.

 

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Just bring back the EU2 neighbor bonus, I'll be pleased.

 

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In HOI1 you had to share all the prerequisits (sp?) before you could share anything worthwile .... why would a commonwealth country need to know about advanced C3I before it can equip it's trrops with Garand-rifles ?

I do agree however that complicated technological advances (electronics and even engineering etc.) should be hard to come-by .... I mean all the supporting industries that are needed to keep one "tank"-factory running ... sheesh ...

I like the 50% idea, but it should be a more flexible percentage, depending on how "engineered" the new tech is ... i.e. the jump from improved to advanced land-mines isn't as complex as that from Great War Artillery docrine to Maneouver Artillery doctrine ...

 

[winisle]

I like the possibility to share tech with your allies! I don´t like the fact that giving information to your allies costs you diplomatic influence, as it is not a diplomatic action. The cost should be for the country that recieves the tech. They need to retrain their army, re-equip it and so forth. But, no DI cost for sharing tech!
As for the fact that it were so little techsharing IRL, that´s because the Commonwealth more or less already operated with brittish doctrine using brittish equipment! The US had their own and came in to late to do more than giving away aircrafts and tanks.

 

[Mork]

I like the possibility to share tech with your allies! I don´t like the fact that giving information to your allies costs you diplomatic influence, as it is not a diplomatic action. The cost should be for the country that recieves the tech. They need to retrain their army, re-equip it and so forth. But, no DI cost for sharing tech!
As for the fact that it were so little techsharing IRL, that´s because the Commonwealth more or less already operated with brittish doctrine using brittish equipment! The US had their own and came in to late to do more than giving away aircrafts and tanks.

Why shouldn't it cost DI?
It's still a diplomatic action. You have to arrange the exchange, meeting scientist and engineers and such.
It shouldn't cost much though.

 

[winisle]

Why shouldn't it cost DI?
It's still a diplomatic action. You have to arrange the exchange, meeting scientist and engineers and such.
It shouldn't cost much though.

Influencing a different country to your point of view costs 2-3 DI (don´t remember), sharing tech 1 DI. To share tech you have to set up a meeting during which you are to give away something aka. a fairly easy operation during which you really don´t have to convince the other nation of anything, while the exercise of influencing another nations point of view takes quite a lot of discussion and persuasion.
Example: I don´t need to be persuaded to accept a present, but I do need to be persuaded to change my position on different matters. This forum is such a venue, where people discuss their opinions and where such opinions are change due to the strenght of different arguments.

 

[nwinther]

you certainly didn't see the US giving away Atomic bomb secrets to anyone.

Well, after the war (I'm not sure 'bout the date) the US gave the Britons the atomic bomb in exchange of VX-gas. So your statement isn't all correct.

 

[Asudulayev]

Sharing of tech is better left on the floor. If there were no sharing at all I would sleep better.
It's quite unrealistic (atleast to the extent that one could do in HOI). Especially if the receiver of the tech just implement it instantly without any cost. Who ever heard of asault rifles apearing instantly?

And the coast of sharing tech is also redicously low. It's not like a diplomat just handing over the blueprints for an assault rifle (just an egg zample ), someone have to explain how to produce 'em and to produce 'em without a gazillion flaws, not to mention specialized ammo, alloys and so on and so forth.

The sharing of tech should (if at all implemented) be a costly affair for both parties. I.e. a little DI cost plus a temporary drop in IC or research capabilities.

I agree, while logical (in some ways) <<sharing tech>> makes the game unrealistic, ie, Republican Spain with T-34s, but little to no Industry.

I would suggest that instead, a nation may allocate some of their ICs to another allie, if they want that country to become stronger.

 

[Dievs]

IMHO a more powerful 'neighbour bonus' would be key to tech sharing.
If you are researching tech that your allies already have, then you can do it twice as fast or something like that.
No 'giving' of tech, but a decrease in time needed.

 

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would favour a completely new concept:

- not knowing how to handle pure allies best.

- but all puppeted nations should stop research and unit production...

- they only should supply the puppet master with ressources, IC or whatever there will be in HOI2

- the puppet master will produce units for the puppet (IC coming from the puppet master, MP from the puppet)

- this way there is no need to chande research and the puppet master decides which units the puppet need...


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[CommanderCody]

Besides I think you'd be surprized how little tech transfer happened between the allies during ww2. most of what what transfered was done in the form of retro-engineering.

and I seriously doubt the germans gave ANYTHING to the Italians or Japanese... and vice versa.

besides the actual NEW research done during the war had very limited effect on the battlefield. ( a few notable examples exceted obvioulsy) most of the so called "research" the allies did was just innovation and improvement of existing technologies.

I disagree. The Germans sent quite a few blueprints to the Japanese in their subs - without which the Japanese wouldn't have had a jet fighter program, good in-line engines, and other techs. Plus, in real life the British Commonwealth had plenty of sharing going on, such that everybody's armies were more or less equal in equipment terms. And the U.S. shared quite a bit with the Commonwealth and vice versa. To me, the Commonwealth should be one entity in terms of research and it shouldn't be too tough for the Germans to share with the Japanese.

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