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With the new Conclave laws I've become a bit confused. Apparently I can only raise taxes on vassals by reducing the amount of levies I get from them. This looks situational except each change requires a full law change. Can someone tell me if theres a perfect fit or 'compromise' option in the middle that gets the most possible taxes and the most levies from a vassal at the same time?
 

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What I meant is what is the best strategy for these laws?
 

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City vassals have the smallest and the worst, in quality, levies. Going full tax with them is a good idea.

Church vassals also have small levies, but they get heavy infantry, and the general quality of their troops is better than cities, but since they are very small... best to go full taxation with them.

Feudal vassals have the best troops in number and quality. If you really plan on using your vassals actively during wars, i could advice to use levy oriented laws on them... but you should consider that Feudal vassals can be 70% or more of your vassals, so if you are depending on vassals taxation to fill your coffers maybe you should not go low tax with them..

In my case, i try to deppend on my own levies (good capital, with room for castles and advanced tecnology), retinues and personal mercenary band, so i set most of my vassals to full taxation to pay for my own troops or just to keep a large reserve of gold...

Check what works best for you and your realm/empire :)
 
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I usually prefer to get levies from my feudal vassals, since the tax they'd give you is negligible anyway. Your mayors will pay you more tax than your dukes, so unless you have tons of feudal vassals and a tiny demesne the income won't be worthwhile.
 
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I usually prefer to get levies from my feudal vassals, since the tax they'd give you is negligible anyway. Your mayors will pay you more tax than your dukes, so unless you have tons of feudal vassals and a tiny demesne the income won't be worthwhile.

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I once played a phenomenally successful game starting at Charlemagne as the Skjoldungs in Denmark and working my way up to a reformed Germanic Merchant republic empire. My realm included Sweden, Norway, most of Finland and Estonia, large parts of Northern Germany and Baltic Poland, England, Scotland, and Wales. I had numerous king-level feudal and king-mayoral vassals and a vast, contiguous, and well-developed trade network throughout the Baltic sea, and the North sea coast more or less from Tholen through Naumadal. I also had 40K troops in total, the greater majority of which were demesne and retinue. Basically I did it almost entirely through vast amounts of income from trade and merchant vassal income. I had almost no feudal taxation but I found myself almost never summoning feudal vassal troops anyway. The realm size existed solely as a means for increasing retinue size.

On the other hand, when I've played the ERE, I find it almost impossible to grow my empire and keep it stable without some increased level of feudal/viceregal taxation. The ERE is designed to be run through careful distribution and withdrawal of strategos appointments, and entitling too many lord mayors would mess that dynamic up completely. The ERE is also an expensive operation, however, and even with all of the well-built cities in Constantinople and fully operant Merchant Republic vassals in Amalfi and Cyprus I find I still need more money than would normally come from my strategoi if the feudal tax law were in the middle.

That's the beauty of the game - you have to know what playing style is appropriate for the circumstance.
 
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There is no best strategy to it really. You have a choice of how you want to play. Making too much money? Raise levy. Too much troops and not enough money? Lower it
 

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Of course it's your choice, but the advice upthread holds true--church levies are small and crap, and city levies a better quality-wise, but still small, so tax them as much as you can.
 

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Well you've got four empires, so um... yes?
Only for show (all except one are titular), and only because I happen to be at that point in the game. The point was to demonstrate how feudal taxes can become a significant part of your income, which can be long before you sprawl across three oceans.

Here's the same realm's taxes, with continued development/stabilization of vassals' realms:
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Feudal vassals can be 70% or more of your vassals, so if you are depending on vassals taxation to fill your coffers maybe you should not go low tax with them..
 

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Let's just say that if you're not interested in levies then just tax everyone. If however you are interested in levies then take them from feudal vassals and go taxes on everyone else.
 

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I usually rely on vassal levies when I'm still really small, and maybe at the size of my first kingdom or two. But the good thing about taxing your feudal vassals into space is having the cash on hand to max out your holdings' troop production, and the occasional merc support and retinue building.