Tariffs: Taxes or Production?

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I know it has been asked ad-infinitum, but I'm having trouble with the search function.:blush:

When you are looking at taking distant overseas provinces of unaccepted culture and untolerated religion, which factor do you consider more important, base tax or production value/trade good?

It seems to me that in the short term, if the tax value and production value are equal, then the quickest path to increasing tariff value would be to convert, thus increasing tax value. On the other hand, over time as production efficiency steadily increases, the production value will far surpass the tax value, thus becoming a more important factor in tariff value.

So, worst case, if, for geographically strategic purposes, you *have* to choose between a crappy tax province and a crappy production province, which would you go for?

 

[chals]

tax is of little value - Production is everthing.

 

[Lord Dakier]

You sure about that? As England I have little production and a lot of tax, especially in London.

The most exquisite resource is Naval Supplies I think. Yet I get like +140 ducats per turn.

 

[chals]

You sure about that? As England I have little production and a lot of tax, especially in London.

The most exquisite resource is Naval Supplies I think. Yet I get like +140 ducats per turn.

Overseas/colonies - of you need tax back home, but not overseas with -90%.

PS production long turn is what u want, as tax is not importent in 1800.(and before), just in 1800 its a mere minor thing

 

[cywang86]

Tariff is 50% of your tax and production at the cost of all of your production, toll (base tax * trade efficiency), and 90% of your base tax (which translate to ~90% of your census).

Note that, the production value of a province is trade good * production efficiency and since you can increase the production efficiency from negligible at game start to 100%+ while tax efficiency will at most double of which from game start, you really just want a province with high trade good value, and eventually build those static tax value increase buildings to bring its low tax up a bit.

So start of the game, tax > production because your efficiency barely breaks 10%. Once you've reached mid to late 1600s though, high trade good value provinces will start to have higher production than tax, and eventually only the CoT and capital will have better tax than production.

 

[Schlez]

If it's for overseas colonies, I would go Trade > Production > Tax unless you're willing to sacrifice a NI slot for Viceroys and even then it would not be completely worth it (though I do recommend getting it anyways if you have a large overseas empire and have an extra NI slot) as you'd get more money from trade and CoTs in a large overseas empire than tariffs.

 

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Thanks folks!
Guess I just have to bite the bullet; its gonna drag down my tech and my pride in my cherry picked provinces, but once they core I will have a great jumping off point, and when the production buffs kick in it will not be so bad.