Tariff income suddenly drops?

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Hi,

I'm playing Ottomans 1.02, after I had saved some money and paper, I converted clerks to all my factories (ca. 15 x 30K clerks in 3 months) and, of course, my maxed Tariffs income skyrocketed due to the increased demand by my new clerks.

Aware of the fact that they need money to buy the goods they desire I slowly decreased taxes from 45% to 30% and the tariff slider from 100% to 80% (but the income remained more or less stable)

After saving some more cash I began setting up some divisions and afterwards had to refill my stock of small weapons, artillery etc. but my tariff income dropped from 300 to 80 and didn't recovered afterwards.

Why is that? I never run low on wine, furniture, cloth etc. I can't think that clerks need artillery for their daily living???

 

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Tariffs naturally restrict the business being made, making some of it unprofitable. This also means less tariff money.

 

[Derek Pullem]

Hi,

I'm playing Ottomans 1.02, after I had saved some money and paper, I converted clerks to all my factories (ca. 15 x 30K clerks in 3 months) and, of course, my maxed Tariffs income skyrocketed due to the increased demand by my new clerks.

Aware of the fact that they need money to buy the goods they desire I slowly decreased taxes from 45% to 30% and the tariff slider from 100% to 80% (but the income remained more or less stable)

After saving some more cash I began setting up some divisions and afterwards had to refill my stock of small weapons, artillery etc. but my tariff income dropped from 300 to 80 and didn't recovered afterwards.

Why is that? I never run low on wine, furniture, cloth etc. I can't think that clerks need artillery for their daily living???

Difficult to say without more info. Could it have been that the demand led boom that you created with the conversion of the craftsmen just petered out as they met their daily needs. Oh and you know that POPS buy on the World Market don't you. If you are hoarding stuff like wine furniture clothes etc they cannot use it to meet their needs. You might have drained the WM and be trying to refill your stockpiles. Hence they cannot buy the stuff cos you are not putting it on to the market????

Only a guess though

 

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Holy crap. I didnt know the POPS all bought from the WM. Damn! I could of been buying more facotires and divisions instead of hoarding furniture & tobacco!!!!!

 

[Derek Pullem]

Holy crap. I didnt know the POPS all bought from the WM. Damn! I could of been buying more facotires and divisions instead of hoarding furniture & tobacco!!!!!

As a general rule thats true although I think farmers can support themselves with food. The only reason to hoard paper and furniture etc is for conversion of POPS or market fluctuations AFAIK.

 

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Hmm, didn't know that POPs buy from the WM, always thought that you have to provide them the stuff via domestic market after you bought it from the WM.

Anyway, it doesn't help me much because I set all the daily life commodities (wine, cloths etc.) to buy up to 30 before I promoted POPs to clerks and haven't changed it afterwards. If the demand boom is being cut bc. I buy off the WM to refill my stocks then why I had the high tariff income during my refill to 30, but lost the tarifff income when I set up divisions. The only common good that they used was wine but of that I had stocked 100 and never used more than 50 I think.

Can POPs be saturated with goods? I thought it is a continuous demand. Do they have personal stocks that they need to refill only periodically?

Still puzzled.

 

[Theodotus1]

Hmm, didn't know that POPs buy from the WM, always thought that you have to provide them the stuff via domestic market after you bought it from the WM.

Anyway, it doesn't help me much because I set all the daily life commodities (wine, cloths etc.) to buy up to 30 before I promoted POPs to clerks and haven't changed it afterwards. If the demand boom is being cut bc. I buy off the WM to refill my stocks then why I had the high tariff income during my refill to 30, but lost the tarifff income when I set up divisions. The only common good that they used was wine but of that I had stocked 100 and never used more than 50 I think.

Can POPs be saturated with goods? I thought it is a continuous demand. Do they have personal stocks that they need to refill only periodically?

Still puzzled.

If you changed some POPs to soldiers, that's probably the explanation. Soldier POPs don't buy goods in the same way that other POPs do, and that would affect tariff levels.

 

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That's an idea, bc I have converted some soldiers in fact. I took one 70K Farmer POP and made him to soldiers. But why that should decrease the tarrif that has been booming due to the promotion of 300K clerks? Farmer and clerks demand different commodities, right?

The tarrifs dropped roughly to the amount it was before the promotion of the clerks, I checked if any clerk has evolved back to farmer but no, all of them still in place.

I checked the cash reserves during the boom and nobody had any money (except soldiers with 500,000+ $) but why the boom in the first place if they haven't got any funds?

I'm sure the boom was triggered from the promotion bc. beforehand I had only 1-2 clerks (15+ afterwards).

 

[Darkrenown]

I checked the cash reserves during the boom and nobody had any money (except soldiers with 500,000+ $) but why the boom in the first place if they haven't got any funds?

I'm sure the boom was triggered from the promotion bc. beforehand I had only 1-2 clerks (15+ afterwards).

It could be that the high tariff and taxes have drained all their money and they can now no longer buy anything which is why your tariff income has went down again.

 

[Depp]

Can it not be that your high tariffs drained the coffers of the clerks so that they reverted to craftmen and hence lowering the commodity need again ?

Somehow it is very much harder to keep the clerks as clerks in 1.02, which is good

 

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I reloaded several times from the spot just shortly before I raised troops and guess what?

It has nothing to do with the divisions. The tariff boom drops at a certain date (or say after a certain time span, roughly 2 months). I reloaded 3x times and it ended always on the same day regardless what I do, even when I do nothing at all.

The facts:
* the clerks owned 0$ before the boom, during and afterwards (?).
* no change of amount of commodities on the WM (everything available in small numbers).
* from the promoted 15 clerks only 3 had evolved back.

Now I promoted some capitalists, one of them in every state with a factory and I have again a boom (the same amount of maxed tariff as before).

Maybe promotion of richer classes does trigger an import boom for a specific time span?