Tank pack dlcs: worth the upgrade price?

[Pete0714]

Season passes REALLY concerns me a great deal. Not to mention that the pass is only for the first two expansions, when most other groups do for the whole game, and we KNOW that Paradox games have a lot more than two.

 

[Maizel]

Season passes REALLY concerns me a great deal. Not to mention that the pass is only for the first two expansions, when most other groups do for the whole game, and we KNOW that Paradox games have a lot more than two.

I don;t like season passes either. But what irks me the most is that Paradox is likely to sell the minor nation focus trees to us as dlc, if I go by what they said in newest dev diary. Getting an extra focus tree on top of the ones you were expecting for free is nice. But they did mention that they might release other DLC like these.

I had hoped that minor nationfocus trees would, at the very least, be part of the big expansions they will do over the years. But I wouldn;t be surprised if we had to pay extra for these on top of it. Cosmetic DLC is one thing, but I would really hate it if I had to pay the price of the game again, to get the generic focus tree filled in.

 

[Scutatus]

Even if they were in the collection (no evidence that this is the case), that is not in the game. They were never taken out: they just were never there in the first place. It would have taken effort to put them into the game, and it's impossible to say whether this effort was more or less than art for the units. Not only that, but it is certain that they would not have the same consistency, since many of the more minor tanks aren't going to have quality pictures associated with them, so you're going to have a silhouette with a question mark anyway. Ultimately, you are criticizing them for design decisions for which you have no idea what resources they had, how much time it would take to get more historical photos of sufficient quality to put in the game vs. how much time it would take to make artwork for them (the later might be less, since you don't have to find a perfect picture - you can find a "good enough" one and just use your imagination to rotate or flip it to fit with the rest of the art), how much time the art team had for this project, how much time the art team spent on this project... I could on for quite a long time listing a huge amount of things that we don't know about the situation they were in. The fact is, though, that pictures never were in HoI4, so they could never have been taken out.

If you have ever played HOI. HOI II or HOI III the resources are right there to see. Unless they have mysteriously deleted or/and thrown out that catalogue and have lost all access to the internet and books, those resources still exist. So I actually have a very good idea what they had to use - all of which they chose to ignore. What source do you think they have used for the art in the first place? The artists don't conjur the images out of thin air - they copy the photos! And if you are trying to tell me that searching through "Jane's Fighting Warships of WWII", scanning a page, then formatting the picture, takes longer than drawing and painting the same ship, you are kidding yourself.

 

[tom_jones]

And if you are trying to tell me that searching through "Jane's Fighting Warships of WWII", scanning a page, then formatting the picture, takes longer than drawing and painting the same ship, you are kidding yourself.

I don't know how long scanning and formatting pages from Jane's would take, but I reckon dealing with their lawyers afterwards could take considerably longer.

 

[ringhloth]

If you have ever played HOI. HOI II or HOI III the resources are right there to see. Unless they have mysteriously deleted or/and thrown out that catalogue and have lost all access to the internet and books, those resources still exist. So I actually have a very good idea what they had to use - all of which they chose to ignore. What source do you think they have used for the art in the first place? The artists don't conjur the images out of thin air - they copy the photos! And if you are trying to tell me that searching through "Jane's Fighting Warships of WWII", scanning a page, then formatting the picture, takes longer than drawing and painting the same ship, you are kidding yourself.

Some take shorter, some take longer. We aren't in the artist's seat, but they've said it's easier just to draw art. Again, my guess is that you can copy a sub-par photo to get a great picture, but scanning a sub-par photo just gets a sub-par photo.

 

[Issac1709]

I don't know how long scanning and formatting pages from Jane's would take, but I reckon dealing with their lawyers afterwards could take considerably longer.

I would assume they have a licence to use it.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

@podcat @Darkrenown @Sideburnout

Can anyone please comment on this? Can we please have 2D naval art for the 7 majors?

 

[tom_jones]

I would assume they have a licence to use it.

For HOI4? There's no reason to assume that. Such license would need to be obtained; i have some doubts if combined financial and time cost of such arrangement ended up as a much better option than having your own artists draw stuff.

 

[columbusbobby23]

I would hazard a guess and say that many of the photos used in HOI3 probably fall under the public domain category. It's not too difficult to go online and find a public domain photo of pretty much anything world war 2 related.

 

[tom_jones]

You might be able to find some pictures. But good quality, accurate pictures at correct, matching angles for all items you require? That's another thing entirely.

 

[Anna_Gein]

I wish this kind of stuff was free as included in the game at the beginning and latter included in "major" dlc. I do not like the current road as I feel like Paradox takes me for a cash-cow. I would be okay if major dlc cost a little more but when Paradox makes a country dedicated dlc, said country uniforms, tank and navy skins are definitely a core part of it imo.

Frankly I changed from a Creative Assembly fan to a Creative Assembly hater largely because of their worthless faction DLC. Those did not add anything except 2/3 unit skin of bad quality.

 

[Backstab]

While it would sure be nice to have all these things in a base game or released later as a patch, for me personally it doesn't really matter. Sure some models are nice, but I'm not going to spend any signifacnt amount of time admiring them. Besides, mods will offer a siginficant amount of both 2D and 3D models.