Sadly it won't.
Podcat confirmed there will be no selling/licensing of units. You can only give away old equipment as lend lease.. I fear this will make playing some states such as Sweden pointless..
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Sadly it won't.
Podcat confirmed there will be no selling/licensing of units. You can only give away old equipment as lend lease.. I fear this will make playing some states such as Sweden pointless..Sadly it won't.
How will that make countries such as Sweden pointless to play?
He was speaking in the language of Pun. If you're tone deaf to English, that's not his fault.
Well, maybe not pointless, but alot less fun.. Many countries will be very weak in terms of equipment where historically they could atleast have had a small amount of fairly modern equipment.
Finland is a good example. How is Finland supposed to get an airforce or any other equipment besides infantry if they cannot buy it? Since they really don't have any allies they can't even get outdated equipment via lend-lease so they will have to ahistorically build their own and will end up with rubbish. Also playing as the Dutch will be boring if you can't sell equipment as they did historically.. Other nations like Canada will also be alot worse off without being able to buy equipment. They will end up being stuck with bi-planes and pre-war tanks in 1944.. These nations should atleast have a chance of building a small but modern army.
I think it will be a huge mistake not having a way to trade arms.. It takes out a good way to convert IC into resources via trade and gives the smaller and medium nations a chance to buy (or sell if a few cases) some decent equipment.. There are so many more possibilities for interesting games with equipment sales.
I had thought initially that with many of the new game mechanics that these smaller and medium powers might actually be fun to play, but now I seriously doubt that..
I don't think they did until after Hitler started planning Operation Barbarossa. Previous to that Germany refused Finish requests to purchase arms.
They produced some small arms, mortars, anti-tank guns themselves, but had to purchase heavier equipment from others.
This would include French, Dutch, Italian, and British aircraft. As well as some Vickers and Renault tanks(well, more like tankettes really..)
How could you possibly simulate this in HOI4? With no purchasing of arms or licensing for production its not possible.. Finland isn't close enough aligned to the Allies or Axis to receive lend lease either so they are pretty much screwed on that front as well..
I wonder if the reason for them not deciding to allow arms purchases is that they have trouble coding the ai to know how much and what equipment it can afford to sell. I am thinking that the ai could be exploited in to sellingso much of it's equipment that it would have trouble defending itself.
Maybe but I think the more important reason is that is the big change how trade works.
Then we don't know how the ai will act, maybe you can ask for support and countries with good relations will support you if you need it.
Even then countries such as Finland do have an industry and if they focus thier tech on only foot infantry they may have weapon 3 in like 1940 with night fighting equipment and best machinegun and mortar in the world.
Then we don't know how the ai will act, maybe you can ask for support and countries with good relations will support you if you need it.
Even then countries such as Finland do have an industry and if they focus thier tech on only foot infantry they may have weapon 3 in like 1940 with night fighting equipment and best machinegun and mortar in the world.
Throw in an event in 1939 giving the Finns some free equipment, another in 1941 and a third in 1942.
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How about giving equipment increases opinion/aligns the recipient closer to your faction? Another way to influence nations besides espionage, similar to "Send gift", but with equipment instead of money. That would not solve the bigger minors selling weapons for money problem, but it would at least solve the minor nations receiveing equipment problem and would add a new interesting mechanic to the game
It'd much better to keep mechanic of selling equipment fluid - so it can be used by all nations - rather than restricting it to events.
Can you be more specific or link to Podcat's post?Sadly it won't.
Resources? Since HoI4's economy seems to hunger for resources (being prime cause for conquest) I can see it working that way.
Trade system have been changed, please read trade on HOI4 Wiki for the known information.
I agree.
Here is Podcat's post.
Some of that info appears to be out of date. It says you can trade equipment internationally, but the post by Darkrenown that was referenced was 7 months older than the post by Podcat above.. It seems like they initially planned to have it(and possibly money) as a feature, but later decided to simplify the trade system..
Ah, I didn't see that one.
The World Market idea is interesting, but it worries me that there doesn't seem to be any embargo mechanic mentioned..
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I think equipment trade could be possible within the World Market mechanic if you had a separate embargo system for equipment and most countries would be embargoed by default. Those that were closely enough aligned could import equipment from other countries. This could even depend on a separate trade law as well. So you could set how tight or loose the restrictions for trade to other nations.
If this were possible it would open up so many interesting options for gameplay. You could for example play as Sweden and be a neutral arms dealer for Europe. You could say focus on having a modern fighter aircraft at around the same time as the majors and put it into mass production(I'm going to assume there will be some benefit to efficiency having more factories producing something as opposed to just a few) and subsidize the costs with selling excess to whoever wants them.
The real problem I see is how to determine what you get in return for the equipment.. You need strategic resources to build them, so I assume you would want to convert the equipment into more strategic resources but with some profit to offset the costs of production.