Tanistry requires Late Feudal administration
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I agree that the Irish should start with tanistry but for accuracy the Welsh should, sadly, start with gavelkind and bastards should also be eligible. Welsh history is full of infighting between brothers, but I doubt players want more gavelkind in the game.
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The problem with Tanistry is that it's far better than it should be. Celts should start with it, but it should be something you want to get rid of as soon as possible, not one of the best government forms in the game.
Who gets claims upon succession in Tanistry? Three oldest sons and the three runner-ups in the election?
And I'd like to know what happens if you have multiple high-level titles, like my current situation where I'm a double emperor and double king. Do you end up with one tanist per title or a single heir for all of them?
Same as Elective, you can (and likely will) get different Tanists for each title.
Tanistry is better than elective for low-skill players, but Elective tends to get you better heirs if you bother to control the election. In particular, if you make all of your electors members of your dynasty you can't lose on succession anyway.
Properly played, elective is the best law in the game.
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They should just make it so you can get it at the start but lose it once you go feudal.
Next patch: Only Basques can have Agnatic-Cognatic, and it can only be unlocked with full women's laws and late Feudal administration.
In seriousness, though, I am glad the Cognatic law is more available. I remember posting a suggestion that certain tribes and the Alans would historically have at least Agnatic-Cognatic, and it seems my call was answered.
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What about Manaw and Alt Clut, the Welsh tribes?
I, personally, find Manaw to be the best tribe.
I have no idea, sorry, maybe someone more familiar with the Isle of Man's history knows? I thought Manaw was more Gaelic/Irish by the time the 769 bookmark begins, would maybe giving it tanistry at the start be appropriate?
I would like to see them change the tribal Irish to tanistry, with riadach's proposals, while the feudal Welsh keep gavelkind but adding bastards to the mix. Not sure about the tribal Manaw and Alt Clut, tanistry to Manaw and gavelkind to Alt Clut?
At the moment Welsh culture has no effects, I would like to see it get "Illegitimate sons eligible to inherit if realm has gavelkind" and I don't think tanistry should require unlocking late feudalism for the Celtic cultures.
Witenagemot for the Anglo-Saxons would also be nice.
"Witenagemot for the Anglo-Saxons would also be nice."
Wouldnt that be elective? With rather powerfull counsil? (OK there is some discussions as how much power the Witan had, but it is some kind of counsil for the "leading" men of the realm). Most Scandinavian countries likewise had the "thing" appoint the king (at least until 1200 hwere the power gradually weined for a more traditional elective system). So perhaps an elective where every noble, included unlanded ones could wote?
Wouldnt that be elective? With rather powerfull counsil? (OK there is some discussions as how much power the Witan had, but it is some kind of counsil for the "leading" men of the realm). Most Scandinavian countries likewise had the "thing" appoint the king (at least until 1200 hwere the power gradually weined for a more traditional elective system). So perhaps an elective where every noble, included unlanded ones could wote?