Taking Venice

[Dydd]

I managed to conquer Venice with fabricated claims thinking I could add it to my own Merchant Republic vassal. Forgeting the fact that it wont be a MR anymore after I take it and all of their trade posts are destroyed.

So should I convert it to a Merchant republic anyway or should I keep it in my demsene and was there any way of avoiding this and keep it as a republic while making it my vassal?

 

[Ontos]

Generally, you need to be the Byzantine Emperor to vassalise Venice, since the Kingdom of Venice is de jure part of the Byzantine Empire. IIRC.

 

[joos]

The Duchy of Venice can only be created by a republic IIRC. If you own the county of Venice (with a castle barony as the capital), give the county to the Mayor of Venezia (a city in the county) and give him a lot of gold and wait for him to create the MR of Venice. Alternately, if you own the county of Venice but the capital is still the city of Venezia, as a feudal ruler you will get penalty for holding the city. You can just give the county away to any courtier and he will then become the Lord Mayor of the County of Venice. After that, you give him some gold and wait for him to create the Duchy of Venice.

 

[Dydd]

The Duchy of Venice can only be created by a republic IIRC. If you own the county of Venice (with a castle barony as the capital), give the county to the Mayor of Venezia (a city in the county) and give him a lot of gold and wait for him to create the MR of Venice. Alternately, if you own the county of Venice but the capital is still the city of Venezia, as a feudal ruler you will get penalty for holding the city. You can just give the county away to any courtier and he will then become the Lord Mayor of the County of Venice. After that, you give him some gold and wait for him to create the Duchy of Venice.

I forged a claim on on the ducy and the city together and claimed both. So the title already exists.

My question is that if it`s worth giving it to my other merchant republic vassal I set up in Valencia or should I make to barony capital and keep it in my demnese since the trade posts are destroyed?

 

[joos]

I forged a claim on on the ducy and the city together and claimed both. So the title already exists.

My question is that if it`s worth giving it to my other merchant republic vassal I set up in Valencia or should I make to barony capital and keep it in my demnese since the trade posts are destroyed?

New trade posts can be built or seized. My advice would be to create a new MR if you are not above your MR limit. Venice is a perfect location for a MR and the doge can become a cash cow. This way, you'll have total control of both western and eastern Mediterranean trade.

 

[Dydd]

New trade posts can be built or seized. My advice would be to create a new MR if you are not above your MR limit. Venice is a perfect location for a MR and the doge can become a cash cow. This way, you'll have total control of both western and eastern Mediterranean trade.

Thanks for the advice.

What`s the benefit of creating a new one rather than giving it to my other MR vassal tho? Isn`t that better since the dude is already rich as fck and has like 6 sons

 

[joos]

Well, quite simply, more patricians. That means more trade posts. More trade posts means more money.

Plus, your most powerful vassals need to be at each others' throats lest they choose yours. This will create a 'healthy' competition.

And, I may be completely wrong about this one, but vassal MRs are most efficient when they are small and preferably one province duchies.

 

[Dydd]

Well, quite simply, more patricians. That means more trade posts. More trade posts means more money.

Plus, your most powerful vassals need to be at each others' throats lest they choose yours. This will create a 'healthy' competition.

And, I may be completely wrong about this one, but vassal MRs are most efficient when they are small and preferably one province duchies.

I see.

Well I really wanted my own MR on the east side of Iberia as soon as possible because Amalfi was getting big and Valencia seemed like the best option since all of the territories are coastal?

I`m assuming at least that it`s beneficial to a MR. I`m actually quite new to this game and don`t know most of the mechanics

 

[joos]

I see.

Well I really wanted my own MR on the east side of Iberia as soon as possible because Amalfi was getting big and Valencia seemed like the best option since all of the territories are coastal?

I`m assuming at least that it`s beneficial to a MR. I`m actually quite new to this game and don`t know most of the mechanics

Well, the convention is that you make MRs out of super small - preferably one province - duchies. Naturally, MRs cannot form if their land is not coastal.

You could do a lot worse than Valencia. It is a completely coastal duchy and is not a bad choice for a MR. Some other nice places include the Duchies of Crete, Cyprus, Acre, Tmutarakan(?), Isle of Man, Basra et al.

 

[kviiri]

Multi-province MRs are not bad, either. It's just that MR patricians have a lot of fixed bonuses that don't scale with their lands, making a small republic a bit more efficient.

 

[sumo0]

In my experience merchant republics also tend to disband and become regular dukes if they have more than one province.
Which is why places like venice, genoa and mann are great for merchant republics. They dont have any de jure claims with a single county duchy.

 

[Simmy93]

Just throwing my hat in here, if you want an Eastern Iberian MR then the obvious choice is the Balaerics so the Duchy of Mallorca. MRs need to be isolated and small so all they do is try to make money rather than usurp you. Never use mainland MR unless its something like an irish duchy or even Brittany. Something isolated.

 

[Iron Chariots]

The Duchy of Venice can only be created by a republic IIRC. If you own the county of Venice (with a castle barony as the capital), give the county to the Mayor of Venezia (a city in the county) and give him a lot of gold and wait for him to create the MR of Venice. Alternately, if you own the county of Venice but the capital is still the city of Venezia, as a feudal ruler you will get penalty for holding the city. You can just give the county away to any courtier and he will then become the Lord Mayor of the County of Venice. After that, you give him some gold and wait for him to create the Duchy of Venice.

I could be remembering wrong, but I thought the duchy could be created by anyone, but the kingdom title could only be created by republican characters?

 

[Moarice]

I could be remembering wrong, but I thought the duchy could be created by anyone, but the kingdom title could only be created by republican characters?

I can confirm. Tried to form it as a feudal some time ago. Needless to say, that didn't work.