Yes special penalties to the Ming is what I was asking for at the time. That entire succesful thread was about the Ming, NOT the EoC in general. The entire reason Ming needed 5-10 unrest and merc nerf was because he was busted. So he got it. But nowhere did I proclaim a desire for other EoC to be punished. Just Ming. Because his historical starting position is so out of whack in 1444.
The "grace period" suggested is not a viable solution. Even If I beat Otto-Russia and 80% made him a tributary, he would probably refuse to pay due to Liberty desire (He's eaten half of the Commonwealth), break tributary and return me to getting -0.77 Mandate a month. The horrific penalties to non-tributaries exist only to make Ming beatable by his Asian neighbors. It has no place affecting anyone else as harshly as it does.
Once again, I know 100% how the Mandate works, how to play with it and that it is suicide to take it unless you killed most big neigbors early. I would have have never taken it outside of an achivement. But it is absurd that declaring yourself legitimate Emperor of China and that you will rule in a traditional style.....causes massive rebellions from China....and everywhere else. Rebellions that did not happen when you were an unlawful Horde raping, murdering and plundering China.
