Taking Holstein (as Denmark)

[Mariani]

are we talking about the annexation of an independent holstein, or holstein as part of the hansa?

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'A set of local sovereign states can be no more than a transitory political configuration.'- Toynbee

 

[unmerged(548)]

Originally posted by yndenwal:
Improbable but not impossible : have you checked that Holstein doesn't have any other province ?

This might be the case for some countries, however for small germans like Baden or Würtenberg this is not a posibility. The fact remains, sometimes you only get 6 stars after killing and counquring everything you can and thus cannot annex them. Hartmann, you adding this to your list of bugs ?



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/ Stefan Huszics

 

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I had the same problem while playing Sweden trying to annex the German Order until I realized that they owned Rhodes.
On the other hand I managed to annex Denmark without capturing Iceland
Keep checking the map...

 

[Lubricus]

I've seen Iceland as both a colony and a city. In the CG it starts out as a colony, but I guess that if Denmark starts to get colonists without having found much to colonise, they concentrate on Iceland and northern Scandinavia. Hence, Iceland may soon become a city.

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by Lubricus:
I've seen Iceland as both a colony and a city. In the CG it starts out as a colony, but I guess that if Denmark starts to get colonists without having found much to colonise, they concentrate on Iceland and northern Scandinavia. Hence, Iceland may soon become a city.

Yes, I was wrong. I checked it anew and Island really starts as a colony even in the GC.

Hartmann

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by Huszics:
Hartmann, you adding this to your list of bugs ?

As I recently added 'bugs' which later turned out to be none, I rather would like to have some more confirmation on this one first ...

Hartmann

 

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Well, it's quite easy to test (if someone bothered to do it):

a) First a general check in the code/config to see if Holstein (capital Hamburg) in the 1700 scenario has any other terratories than itself; if not do b)
I have no clue on how to do this; but I can build your businessplans

b) Start the scenario as Denmark; take a 1000 GP loan, and build a solid force (speed up the time); rush in and conquer Holstein, and check if it's possible to annex.

Should take less than 3 minutes to do nbr. b) - I don't know about nbr. a)



[This message has been edited by Koch (edited 15-01-2001).]

 

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Originally posted by Koch:
hmm .. I just checked again;

Same deal - took Holstein; had a major victory .. 7 stars (not 6, sorry) - but still no possibility of annexing it.

How do I dead-sure check if holstein has a colony or territory somewhere ? - is there a bulletproof method ?

No, you have to carefully look all provinces on the political map that has the same colour (or quite, go find one Swedish province amongst a dozen of French ones)...

Just to be sure: you access directly the peace screen with 7 stars without going through the Annex screen first. Is that right?

 

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'As I recently added 'bugs' which later turned out to be none, I rather would like to have some more confirmation on this one first ...'

It's quite hard to confirm as it appears to be quite rare (has only happened to me once). Regettably I don't have a savegame, but I am shure that there was only one province and no colonies. However, your probably correct in not adding it to you list as whitout a few savegames Johan might spend days trying to find the bug and not get anywhere.
Perhaps you should add it to, 'potential/unconfirmed bugs', for us all to keep a lookout for ?

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/ Stefan Huszics

 

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Well, I could create you a savegame, where I have conquered Holstein, but haven't offered them peace yet.. and make it downloadable for everyone ..

Would that help / be of any interest ?!

 

[Johan]

You can't annex minors as a seperate peace.

/Johan

 

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Originally posted by Johan:
You can't annex minors as a seperate peace.

/Johan

.. aha .. so because Holstein is a minor country AND has an alliance (active) with someone else (e.g. Sweden - if that's the case) - I can settle peace with Holstein, but cannot annex them as long as they are part of that alliance.

Understood correct ?

 

[Johan]

Yes you understood right.

/Johan

 

[Peder P]

That's strange. I'm sure I've seen this happen (minors annexed as separate peace). An example from a recent game:

My alliance:
Austria (me, leader, i declare war on Turkey)
Hungary
Saxony
Wurtemberg
Moldavia

Opposing alliance:
Turkey
Georgia

In the first months of the war, the turks took moldavia and annexed it. Since I declared war on the Turks, this must be considered a separate peace. Am I correct?

I've found this kind of situation rather annoying on several occasions. Another example: I'm playing Russia, allied with Bohemia and Prussia (which is a one-province minor at the time). Whenever I declared war on the poles, or anyone else in the vicinity of Prussia, I had to race troops to Prussia to avoid it being annexed. This was rather annoying

 

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Originally posted by Johan:
You can't annex minors as a seperate peace.

/Johan

That is incorrect.
As an example from one of my recent games as France:
I declare war on Spian.
Milano, Savoia & the Knights come to Spains 'rescue'.
By the end of the war (which ends with me taking 3 spanish provinces), Milano, Savoia & the Knigts have all been 'separate peace Annexed' by me.

If it's not meant to be this way you definitly have a mayor bug there ...

Anyway, in my example (Baden or Würtenberg), I was alone at war with the minor when I couldn't annex it .

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/ Stefan Huszics

[This message has been edited by Huszics (edited 17-01-2001).]

 

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If I remember correctly btw, 'Tyska Orden' is the 'Teotonic Order' in English, not 'German Order'. I might be wrong though...

 

[Lubricus]

Actually, it's 'Teutonic Order'. But you were close!