Tag Switch WC Plan

[bly08]

I've been trying to come up with a tag switch strategy that would allow for a fast WC. Starting options are Ming, Ottomans, or Timurids. No states unless to tag switch. The plan has to be reasonable wrt expansion path. I assume the best switches are ones that grant the most cores or permanent claims.

Ming - 10% CCR

- Can form Shan -> Manchu, Japan, Mughals, Poland, Persia (can't form as Mughals), France, England, Italy, Spain.

Pros: Highest starting development. Bonuses from reforms.
Cons: Mandate. MP needed for early tag switches.

Ottomans: - 20% CCR

- Can form Poland, Italy, France, England, Spain, Mughals, Manchu, Qing, Japan.

Pros: Can become HRE emperor and EoC. CCR in NI. Starting location. Dhimmi conversion.
Cons: Lots of AE as Europe and India are revealed at the start.

Timurids - No CCR

- Can form Golden Horde, then realistically only Yuan or Qing from Manchu, Mughals, or some of the European tags as losing the razing mechanic is too big of a penalty.

Pros: Is Horde. Starting location. Tributaries. HRE/EoC. Europe starts in fog of war.
Cons: High unrest. Rebel conversion.

I left off tags that don't give enough cores or permanent claims to matter, ex. Andalusia, Algiers, Scandinavia, etc. Forming Russia requires colonies. Spain can't be formed from France and vice versa. I believe there are no religion restrictions besides for Qing/Yuan which requires EoC and being non-Muslim for Spain. For Ottomans and Timmy going the HRE route, emperor would need to be claimed before tag switches. Japan might not be worth it as there's not a lot of war score in that region.

It would probably be best to use tags with CCR for as long as possible to conquer land that do not get claims, then leave regions that do get claims for the end. As non-hordes do not get free CBs, religious may actually be better than admin as the first idea.

My guess is it's a tie between Cathoman and Timurids. The mandate mechanic is too bothersome.

 

[ecrurudesby]

Timurids are only a horde pre-1.23

 

[bly08]

I'm starting this on 1.22

 

[gasior]

Half, if not more tagswitches are rather pointless on that list from my point of view. Tagswitching is quite painfull on a long run and forming nations like france, spain etc(big eu nations) is hard itself because u need to kill them first(and probably u will have imperializm before u kill them). Having low amount of states is a bad thing also(if ur not a horde).
If i were you, I would simplify the plans:
If ur ming go for shan-yuan(yuan is supperrior towards manchu in almost every way) then mby Mughals for entire india permaclaim..
If ur ottos i would not tagswitch at all or form only big rewards nations like qing/Mughals.
Horde nations are the fastest ones in wc and i dont see reason to tagswitch beside getting core creation idea(golden horde or manchu) or reforming. Theoritically timurids is a strongest horde in 1444, but if i were u i would go for jurchen tribe. U dont have to tagswitch at all and ideas are top notch

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

Unless you mean this as some kind of theme run, the only tags that give you enough claims to be relevant in the least are Mughals and China (well, not a tag but w/e), but since you lose horde government with both the fastest WC is to simply stay a horde as Timurids.

 

[bly08]

Most of Yuan's claims are in Ming, Yuan also can't form Mughals.

Without having tested, I'm guessing any of those three are a lot faster than straight up horde conquest, with the exception of maybe Coptic GH but I highly doubt it.

Tag switching doesn't cost anything if you don't make states so there's no drawback except as a horde. For Cathoman I can keep Ottoman ideas through every switch.

 

[gasior]

Mughals cannot form yuan(while yuan can form Mughals) unless they changed IT in recent patch. I cannot check the game files to verify IT. Tagswitching cost you dropped(or not having) states untill ur final switch.
You can try do stuff like taking whole france by 4-5 vassals and then forming it and insta Annexing vassals. The. Repeat with spain etc
Doubt overall that ur way will be faster than horde, but well... I might be wrong. good luck anyway.

Edit. Also i wouldnt do yuan for claims(although Mongolia manchuria China and tibet as claims are quite powerfull) but for ideas.

 

[Sfan]

I don't think these tagswitch are any useful. I'd rather feed the land to dead nations I revive and only form a tag with free claims on India and another one with free claims on China, and possibly Russia. The fastest one is probably Timurids-Mughals-Shan-Yuan-Russia, and nothing else is required, or Ming-Shan-Mughals-Russia. Stick with Tsardom and Mughals/Yuan ideas depending on whether or not you value less rebels or admin efficiency more (we all know it's admin efficiency, but sanity is also important).