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Seconded: Nav Variant for Tacs, just not carrier based. So all the nice twin engine nav designs have a place.
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Heavy fighters also often had a bit of a naval strike role (Beaufighters with rockets or torpedoes as an example). I'm not sure we've seen all the details yet, but I'd be very surprised if tactical bombers didn't get some kind of naval strike role not soon after launch if it's not there at launch. There's plenty of historical evidence - just off the top of my head, Ju 88s caused the RN a fair degree of pain in the Med.
Anyone know what the number of twin engine nav bombers were compared to twin engine tac bombers for the major sea powers (JAP ENG USA)? (for % based comparison)
Curiousity on my part.
Curiousity on my part.
Part of the issue answering that is that many tac bombers were used as naval bombers - for example, Beauforts (twin engined bombers) were at times both Tac and Naval bombers - so it gets tricky as to how to count them. I'm afraid I don't have any numbers to hand though, I'm all ships at the moment, rather than the nasty planes that sink them
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the beauforts are tricky period as some are also considered heavy fightersPart of the issue answering that is that many tac bombers were used as naval bombers - for example, Beauforts (twin engined bombers) were at times both Tac and Naval bombers - so it gets tricky as to how to count them. I'm afraid I don't have any numbers to hand though, I'm all ships at the moment, rather than the nasty planes that sink them
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Doing some quick Googling on RAF Coastal Command (an easy one, as pretty much all their bombers were used either for anti-ship operations or aerial minelaying, so likely to count as NAVs), their twin engined bombers included:
Beauforts (also heavy fighters and tactical bombers)
Beaufighters (also heavy fighters and CAS)
Blenheims (also heavy fighters and TAC)
Mosquitos (also heavy fighters and TAC/CAS)
Handley Page Hampden (also STR, not sure about TAC)
Avro Anson (as far as I can see, mainly a trainer but also did some NAVving early on)
Consolidated Catalina
Lockheed Hudson (I think also a TAC, but not as sure about this)
Vickers Wellington (also TAC/STR)
I'm not familiar with the set-up for the US, Japanese, German or Italian anti-shipping units, but can go looking if that'd help? I suspect we'd find similar issues in most cases of aircraft used for multiple roles, making a clear 'count' tricky (not impossible, but it'd be a lot more fiddly than just looking at the total number of aircraft of each model produced).
Well, I know the Luftwaffe did not have any naval arm. They used most types of bombers to attack shipping but mostly the Fw200 Condor due to its superior range for operations over the Atlantic.
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For Japan, if we consider the IJN operated G3M, G4M and P1Y to be naval bombers, and the IJA operated Ki-21, Ki-49, Ki-67 as tactical bombers, we get the following numbers;
G3M - 1048
G4M - 2435
P1Y - 1102
Total - 4585
Ki-21 - 2064
Ki-49 - 819
Ki-67 - 767
Total - 3650
One could also possibly count the Ki-48 in this class, which adds another 1997 aircraft. There's also a bunch of less produced types, but these 4 would account for the vast majority. Also, the Ki-67 was torpedo capable, but since it was rarely used in that role, I've counted it as a tactical bomber instead of a naval one.
That basically makes it 4585 Naval to 3650 Tactical (55%), or 4585 Naval to 5647 Tactical (45%), depending on if the Ki-48 counts or not.
G3M - 1048
G4M - 2435
P1Y - 1102
Total - 4585
Ki-21 - 2064
Ki-49 - 819
Ki-67 - 767
Total - 3650
One could also possibly count the Ki-48 in this class, which adds another 1997 aircraft. There's also a bunch of less produced types, but these 4 would account for the vast majority. Also, the Ki-67 was torpedo capable, but since it was rarely used in that role, I've counted it as a tactical bomber instead of a naval one.
That basically makes it 4585 Naval to 3650 Tactical (55%), or 4585 Naval to 5647 Tactical (45%), depending on if the Ki-48 counts or not.
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For Italy, the Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero operated mostly as naval bomber
The Lockheed Hudson, the PV-1 and PV-2 and the Privateer are also numerous used naval bombers
The Lockheed Hudson, the PV-1 and PV-2 and the Privateer are also numerous used naval bombers
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