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BaronNoir

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Pretty much, and what they planned to use as LCT was hastily converted civilian craft. I would dare to say that a fluvial barge carrying a couple of Tigers, especially with a...(how do you call in English ferry-style doors and landing ramp ?) bolted on would have been quite unstable in anything than perfect weather.
 

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What made the tanks good was the support infrastructure of Soviet and US and only just one part of a big box.

Yes, Germany simply had a massive material and manpower disadvantage.

Talking about Panther and Tiger so much is pretty silly because both started fighting in 1943, when the war was already lost. If talking about "what-if" Germany victories what matters is discussing 1939-1941 - MAYBE 1942. Once the front was stalled and US joined it was not a matter of if, but when.
 

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. . . Did they actually test such a thing?

Why not skip the landing craft altogether and just drive under the channel with air hoses attached to buoys?

EDIT:
Poes law strikes again! This is sarcasm.
 
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The submersible tank was a project (a desperation project, should I add) that was tested alongside various ways to bring tanks.

It's worth nothing that Axis landing methods were a bit parochial : the planned landings at Malta would have involved using mules
 

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I was under the impression they planned to fit the tanks with air hoses, and dump them over the side of the ship to drive ashore along the sea bed?

Even if this were desireable it would
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. . . Did they actually test such a thing?

Who not skip the landing craft altogether and just drive under the channel with air hoses attached to buoys?


If this was a serious question I'll answer it, but I assume this was sarcasm?
 

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It's worth noting that while the gamble paid off for Germany in the sense that they conquered Norway, it also crippled their navy. I think over half their ships were either sunk or seriously damaged and out of action for the rest of the year - which was a big factor in why they couldn't later invade Britain.

Eaven if their navy have had no losses had an German invasion no chance to succeed, it had become a disaster.Maybee they could have surprice landed soldiers on the beach,but the Germans had

been doomed when R.N. had cut their suplies.
 

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Oh, that was not considered, no. It was considerd for depths up to 40 meters, however. (Once again, we are left wondering how they would had found volunteers for driving such tanks)
 

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Oh, that was not considered, no. It was considerd for depths up to 40 meters, however. (Once again, we are left wondering how they would had found volunteers for driving such tanks)

Not 40 metres but 4 metres deepwading for the Tiger and 15 metres or 49 feet for the specialized "Tauchpanzer"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_wading
 

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I think the Tiger deep wading system was conceived to cross rivers, which showcase a stupendous lack of thought about the problems a tank could face in the field.....
 

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I think the Tiger deep wading system was conceived to cross rivers, which showcase a stupendous lack of thought about the problems a tank could face in the field.....
Ironically, the British dedicated an entire Division (and it was the largest armoured division) to ensuring that armour could be used to its maximum within all terrain. I think that its fair to say that the 79th Armoured Divisions naval assault and river assault vehicles had a tremendous impact if only by virtue of reducing the number of lives lost.
 

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I meant that a tank that require submersion/deep wading to cross any river even if there is a bridge able to support most trafic imaginable still standing is problematic for operations in Europe...
 

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I meant that a tank that require submersion/deep wading to cross any river even if there is a bridge able to support most trafic imaginable still standing is problematic for operations in Europe...

Actually it's quite useful. After all everyone knows where the key bridges are - you and the enemy. And they will be defended, wired to blow, or at least guarded/watched Being able to cross over with usable forces where it's not expected can be a huge deal.
 

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Actually it's quite useful. After all everyone knows where the key bridges are - you and the enemy. And they will be defended, wired to blow, or at least guarded/watched Being able to cross over with usable forces where it's not expected can be a huge deal.
If you are to conduct operations on the other side of the river, you will need a bridge regardless, or you'll quickly run out fuel and ammo. If you want to cross elsewhere, that's what the engineering corps is for. Like how the Germans did it at Kiev.
 
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