Mandead and Toddd240, I'll take your word for it. I haven't been tracking this forum lately, so I'm not up to date. Looking forward to pushing some counters around in HoI3.
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yeah i i am also worry about the system requeriments my laptop probably wont run it i have : hp 1gbram windows vista , 1.8ghz intel centrino duo , and intel gma 965 graphic card
On what do you base that? The checosfz9339's GPU definitely meets the minimum specs for EUIII. Admittedly, 1GB of RAM to run Vista is fairly low. I wouldn't touch that pile of memory hogging crap with a barge pole, or at least without 2GB RAM. But then I would have stripped off Vista the day I bought the laptop and put XP on it.
Now folks, please don't start going out and buy new PCs on the basis of advice from people with lots of money to burn on the latest kit, who seem to have no real technical knowledge of this subject. Paradox have said, and King has confirmed it in this thread, that HOI3 should run on a similar spec to that of EUIII. There the recommended graphics card was 128MB, and this works fine on my PC with 128MB. This was the recommended hardware for EUIII:
EU:Rome was supposed to also run on this, but was laggy on my PC, even with disabling the optional graphics features. This was definitely down to the graphics - it was laggy scrolling/zooming on the map, not in game-play. Recently, Johan suggested that 256MB graphics cards might be recommended for HOI3, and I guess that will be right because of the much larger bitmaps to load into memory for all of those extra provinces.
@Alexander Seil: Even with the game 10% developed (and it clearly isn't) they can easily test the graphics hardware requirements, by generating some random provinces, and as soon as you've got one sprite available just put hundreds of them on the map. Plus, they have had enough experience with EUIII and Rome to know exactly how much load the game will put on the GPU. It isn't a random guessing game, you can calculate it pretty precisely. You can also estimate the load on the CPU from the supply system, both an average and the maximum. Since it is a province based system, then the maximum load is calculated from having to provide supplies to every province on the map. In reality, this is highly unlikely. The truth is even the CPU on a quite modest machine was probably not stretched by EUIII, and they will be able to tell how much processor power would be required for the supply system. I'm not convinced it's as complicated as you think - even HOI2 had plenty of places where a best path needs to be calculated to get from A to B. Ships and planes rebasing and convoys could take place half-way across the world, and the engine worked out how to get there. Most HOI3 supplies just flow from one province to the next overland, and only once per day.
@Will Lucky: King uses a quad-core for development. That's got nothing to do with playing the game for real. He's running a development tool, with the game running within that for testing purposes. He doesn't want to wait five minutes every time he wants to compile the game to test the latest lines of code that have been added, but he does want the tool to test every line of code for errors before it is executed and trap any errors and give him full information about what caused the error instead of just crashing. But once tested and debugged, you compile a program into a standalone executable which no longer needs the memory/processor power of the development tool. Please don't suggest to people that a quad-core processor will be required to play the game. It won't.
@mandead and Toddd240: please don't be "pretty sure", provide us a link to the thread where King or anyone else from Paradox said that you need a multi-core processor, or even that one would significantly improve performance.
@Garaa: If by "i7 rig" you are referring to the Intel Core i7 processor, then this would meet the specs for EUIII, those processors run at 2.66GHz or more. Go to Run and type "DXDIAG" and this will give you information about your system, including the processor speed, amount of RAM, and the display tab shows what type of graphics card you are using.
@jdrou: Person having difficulties getting EUIII to run on an i7. It's probably nothing to do with the processor. Is he running Vista? There is advice on the EUIII forum on this.
Truth be told Vista is the best OS I've run to date and I've never had a better gaming experience before (Although the good old days of using a Geforce 3 were quite good)
Johan himself has suggested you don't try running Hoi3 with 512MG of Ram and he has suggested Vista users have at least 2GB.
And I haven't suggested people buy a Quad Core just so they can run this game, it will be a while before a Paradox game even requires a Dual Core let alone a Quad. All I have stated is Multi-Core optimisation is being done and you will most likely have the best experience if you are using a Dual or Quad.
And as for that Intel GMA 965, it isn't the best of graphic cards and while it may run it, it won't run it very well.
"Truth be told Vista is the best OS I've run to date and I've never had a better gaming experience before "
I have to agree. I recently retired my no longer upgradable old machine for na new one w/Vista,4gb RAM and a dual core CPU,and the difference is amazing!
I have to agree. I recently retired my no longer upgradable old machine for na new one w/Vista,4gb RAM and a dual core CPU,and the difference is amazing!
It's not bad at all for me (at least running XP with a 2GHz C2D and 2GB RAM). Have use the lowest resolution anyway because it's all my laptop screen will do; I'd say the low res is more of an inconvenience than the speed (interface windows take up a higher percentage of the screen).
As far as multi-core, I don't think Paradox has ever said they were optimizing for it, just that they were running/testing on it so it shouldn't cause any problems.
My 1 year old laptop just broke fiew days ago(CD-rom is dead),
so my wife agreed with me that we should have again some whatever desktop replacement ,just that she can do her typing in Word and for internet ,you know.
I sopose Quad Core ,4GB of RAM, ATI 4600 will do
so my wife agreed with me that we should have again some whatever desktop replacement ,just that she can do her typing in Word and for internet ,you know.
I sopose Quad Core ,4GB of RAM, ATI 4600 will do
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I'm sure Vista is the "best OS" if you have a modern machine (less than 2 years old) with plenty of RAM (2-3GB). For people without that luxury, and who aren't impressed by flashy features that don't really enhance the PC, then XP is a better alternative, because it uses less memory than Vista.
I think you are confusing your "gaming experience" of running your games on a modern PC with plenty of RAM and a good graphics card, with the OS. As does MontanaPrussian who thinks that it is Vista which gives the improvement, when it is actually the "4gb RAM and a dual core CPU" that he has which has made the difference and not the OS (though see this link on that RAM). You would both have an even more efficient PC if you removed Vista and used XP, though you might not notice it in most cases. For anyone who has a PC without those specs Vista should be avoided. Unfortunately, no major PC/laptop supplier will provide it pre-installed for you on a new PC/laptop, as they are all tied-in with the MS marketing machine.
There are lots of comments for Vista users who had a less than satisfactory experience with installing EU:Rome on the Rome forum, see for instance:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349424
And note Johan's comments that DX10 provided with Vista is "a buggy piece of shit that does not include all dx9 features".
OK, I was worried that talk of quad-core in this thread might suggest to some readers that they should be going out and buying brand new quad-core PCs in order to get HOI3 to run.
Only Beta testing will be able to tell that.
Having the "best" graphics card or CPU here is not the issue - it's like having a Ferrari that can do 150mph, but the speed limit on UK roads is 70mph. The Ferrari can't get you to work any faster than a Renault Clio. What we want to avoid is people making hardware purchases that are unnecessary.
My advice to anyone is - unless you were going to change your PC anyway because you really do have some completely out-of-date machine (over 5 years old) and are happy with spending the money - then hang on until Paradox publish the recommended hardware specs after Beta testing. Even then I would probably wait and see if there is a demo and see how that runs before making a final decision. A modest RAM or graphics card upgrade might be enough to provide the performance you will need, rather than a completely new PC.
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Noticed that Sony only offers 64bit Vista on their laptops, now...
You can run vista fine on a 1 GB computer, if you know anything about any version of windows, you'll know they have the handy option of letting you choose classic mode, which turns off the "flashy graphics", and runs it like good old '98 looked. Also I remember when XP came out, alot of people I know said the same things about XP we say about vista, that it didn't need the extra graphics upgrade, and was gonna make them have to upgrade to run the OS and their fav games.
Best part about Vista is the tuned NTFS file system they use for it, which makes data search on your somputer run alot smoother with better archiving, XP took forever to fully complete a search.
Like any smart game designer, I'm sure P'dox games will be able to run on 64-bit OS. My Starcraft does, that came out when 32-bit was new
