a synthetic plant cost about 8k construction stuff and a civilian factory cost about 7k construction stuff. I think synthetic plant is only slightly expensive than civilian factory. If synthetic plants is very expensive to build then I think we also should think twice before build a civilian factory. Though for some unclear reason, Paradox had increased the cost of civilian factories to a painful level.
Synthetic plant is expensive?
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They increased it as before it was possible to build far too many civilian factories, now it's more of an investment and will take longer to pay itself back.
Similar with the synthetic plants, they are expensive to stop nations spamming them to fix their oil and rubber issues easily, I think as well it was a rather expensive and difficult tech/method of making the resources.
Similar with the synthetic plants, they are expensive to stop nations spamming them to fix their oil and rubber issues easily, I think as well it was a rather expensive and difficult tech/method of making the resources.
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Civ and Mil Factories - as it seems - can profit from a lot more boni ( from laws ) to build than refineries.
In a - probably outdated - example i calculated ( with the best approbiate modifiers/ministers/laws) taking 51 days for a CF and 74 days for a Refinery.
In a - probably outdated - example i calculated ( with the best approbiate modifiers/ministers/laws) taking 51 days for a CF and 74 days for a Refinery.
Germany should get a bonus on building them, they invented the process in the 20s and they supplied the wehrmacht allmost entirely with "Leunabenzin"
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they increased the cost for civilian factories so that you dont end up with 500 civilian factories in 1942. They are extremely valueable and should be very expensive. Those numbers are of course highly in flux since the game is still in balancing.
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A tech bonus of 1/2 levels in 1936 is well deserved by Germany for Synthetic Oil and Rubber. I wonder why people disagreed with your fact.
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In the first WWW Germany had level 1 of synthetic oil unlocked. You can start building them as early as Jan '36
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Syn Fuel factories were not small or cheap things historically. And Panzers & ships need fuel to run (in the real world). There were building the first Syn Fuel factory in 1935.
Event Image from the mod Third Reich Events.
Event Image from the mod Third Reich Events.
Syn Fuel factories were not small or cheap things historically. And Panzers & ships need fuel to run (in the real world). There were building the first Syn Fuel factory in 1935.
Event Image from the mod Third Reich Events.
1926ish, in leuna.
@hagen_hase
You are right that there were earlier plants, but my understanding is they were mostly test/research facilities, but in about 1935 they start larger scale production.
You are right that there were earlier plants, but my understanding is they were mostly test/research facilities, but in about 1935 they start larger scale production.
Frederick Bergius a Nobel Prize winner of 1913 in chemistry detected the Bergius process in 1913 and started the first plant in 1914, unfortunately due to the War, the need was not felt and production started in 1920 or so, the plants based on this process resulted in over 4 million tons per annum in WW2. This was coal to petroleum.
The second process of Fischer-Tropsch was in the 1930s using Water Gas to generate Petroleum and the first plant was started in 1935. About 20% of total fuel produced and about 65% of synthetic fuel was produced using this process.
So, technology did predate 1936.
In addition, the Nazis also used Fracking to a small extent.
The second process of Fischer-Tropsch was in the 1930s using Water Gas to generate Petroleum and the first plant was started in 1935. About 20% of total fuel produced and about 65% of synthetic fuel was produced using this process.
So, technology did predate 1936.
In addition, the Nazis also used Fracking to a small extent.
they first used lignite in 1926ish (1927?) and blackcoal in 1936-1939(when the industrieal scale started isnt easy to find out)
hitler signed a contract with IG-farben in 1933 with a fixed price for synthetic oil (the bribes for this funded the nsdap partly).
germany should have a bonus for this, because they were ahead in chemical science. they invented the major tech in that age.
This is grossly overestimating their part. This is a good read:
[The percentage of synthetic fuels compared to the yield from all sources grew from 22 percent to more than 50 percent by 1943. The total oil supplies available from all sources for the same period rose from 45 million barrels in 1938 to 71 million barrels in 1943]
Which is respectable nonetheless, but is not 'supplying the whole wehrmacht through the war.'
Not bonus in building them faster though, just being ahead in tech.
I'd see it as in a 'they already got some plants and can build more right away' bonus.
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According to this source ( and others ) a large synthetic rubber industry was already in place before ´36:
http://www.icis.com/resources/news/2008/05/12/9122056/history-of-the-synthetic-rubber-industry/
"The most notable discovery during the 1930s was when IG Farben's Walter Bock and Eduard Tschunkur polymerized a synthetic rubber called Buna-S from butadiene andstyrene in an aqueous emulsion. Now known as styrene butadiene rubber (SBR), Buna-S was being produced in large quantities in Germany by 1935.
IG Farben scientists also developed nitrile rubber Buna-N in 1931, now known as NBR, and began mass production in 1935. For LANXESS, 1937 was a big year for polymer chemistry, says Commander."
So Germany and other countries already produced large amounts of synthetic rubber and they should begin the game at least with a few production sites ( USA had smaller amounts & SovietUnion more)
http://www.icis.com/resources/news/2008/05/12/9122056/history-of-the-synthetic-rubber-industry/
"The most notable discovery during the 1930s was when IG Farben's Walter Bock and Eduard Tschunkur polymerized a synthetic rubber called Buna-S from butadiene andstyrene in an aqueous emulsion. Now known as styrene butadiene rubber (SBR), Buna-S was being produced in large quantities in Germany by 1935.
IG Farben scientists also developed nitrile rubber Buna-N in 1931, now known as NBR, and began mass production in 1935. For LANXESS, 1937 was a big year for polymer chemistry, says Commander."
So Germany and other countries already produced large amounts of synthetic rubber and they should begin the game at least with a few production sites ( USA had smaller amounts & SovietUnion more)
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@panzerzombie
Thanks!
I have not looked yet a German synthetic rubber industry. It will be helpful in future version of my mod!
Thanks!
I have not looked yet a German synthetic rubber industry. It will be helpful in future version of my mod!
Yeah but you are comparing the total fuel need of the hole of germany with the industry and the armed branches together. He said that the wehrmacht was completly supplied by synthetic fuel. Which could be possible, because the wehrmacht was only the army branch. I think a lot of fuel went to the industry, Luftwaffe and lets see to a lesser amount to the Kriegsmarine.