Synthethic ascension and Materialistic fallen/awakened empires

[AaronArx]

How do you think they should react?

Personally all things considered, I think that rather than attacking the ascended empire, they'd rather prefer to "extort" them the secret to the ascension.

Like they are materialists, fanatic ones for the matter, and they opposed AI research because they were afraid it might overwhelm the galaxy including themselves. But with the synthetic ascension they wouldn't have to fear such a possibility anymore because they'd become synthetic themselves.

 

[Volodio]

There is already the spiritualist fallen empires which want to destroy you if you become synth. I think one fallen empire against you is enough.

 

[Angelic_Daemon]

There is already the spiritualist fallen empires which want to destroy you if you become synth. I think one fallen empire against you is enough.

The ones I paid attention to had a malus against me for abandoning flesh.

Ultimately I think everyone would be causation of the synthetic evolution.

 

[Machofish]

It's a very interesting topic. Without going too much into philosophy or existential theory, I'd like to refer to the 'teleporter conundrum'.

Essentially, imagine a situation in which a self-aware entity is destroyed on an atomic level - but simultaneously, a completely different set of atoms are assembled into a perfect, functionally identical copy of the destroyed entity. Are the destroyed entity and the created entity the same person, or two different people? Is there an 'essence' of consciousness that is transferred between the old and the new, even if no material is transferred on an atomic level?

More importantly, what happens in that scenario if, for instance, the teleporter does not successfully disassemble the 'original' self-aware entity, yet still manages to create a 'new' person at the receiving end using data that was sent to it? Does the 'original' need to be destroyed to preserve the authenticity of the 'new' person? Would the 'new' person be destroyed to preserve the authenticity of the 'original' person? Would the person fight back, realizing that their consciousness is essentially being taken out of existence?

There are perfectly rational, solid arguments to made for both sides (notwithstanding that the entire scenario is impossible with our technology at present) - either that A) The newly-created entity is a entirely different being from the original entity, despite identical appearance, and that the 'original' entity is now irreversibly dead, or that B) The 'original' and the 'new' entity are simply the same person for all intents and purposes - carrying the same memories, capabilities and capacities.

The Fallen Empire Materialists probably fall into the former train of thought in how they view Synthetics - while they probably do not care for a Spiritualist explanation of the soul or the conscious, I imagine they perceive "Synthetic Ascension" as a heavily misinformed act of mass-suicide, caused by a high level of technical knowledge combined with an utter lack of rational introspection. I imagine they'd be all the more disappointed at such a display, rather than envious.

"Aha! The robots can't kill me and replace me with a lifelike robot, if I destructively scan my brain to replace myself with a lifelike robot first!"

 

[Drowe]

The Materialist Fallen Empire does not care, you don't even get a malus with them. You get -20 with all non Materialist empires and -60 with Spiritualist empires. The Spiritualist FE sends you a nice message about how you destroyed yourself, and gets the angry attitude, that's it.

 

[Angelic_Daemon]

I like a story in Eve Online about the capsule capsuleers transferring the consciousness to their first clone is an act of suicide. And how they can only manage one clone at a time. Wouldn't you just save the brain scan and upload it to many clones at once or over a course of time. Then you have an army that you know intimately.

 

[bronze Void poison]

given that organic life forms eventuly replace evey cell during it's life time is there a point we stop being our selfs?

 

[extrapancake]

They should be angry and jealous, because they couldnt accept the truths that would allow them to ascend and instead fell into fallen empire status.