Switzerland - Democrats 4ever =)

[Emperor Ike]

Here we see the face of nationalist party in Switzerland. Same motives as communists - takeover and execute ringleaders. With no opposition one party system shall fall. Opposition always criticises position and this way state lives on battles on and wins on.
Be wise people and don't make yourselves a band of sheep led by a wolf.

Isn't that just what the Delexianism aims no party system? I am little confused as your leader is against the party system i think you would be happy if one party takes over as it is basicly the same members of that party are the ones that rule just like in delexianism.

 

[unmerged(62478)]

Isn't that just what the Delexsianism aims no party system? I am little confused as your leader is against the party system i think you would be happy if one party takes over as it is basically the same members of that party are the ones that rule just like in Delexsianism.

Well the irony is that, in order to gain power over the state, I have to start with a party. I cant just make a coup (Can I do that lol?). Delexsianism isn't a party philosophy (Well it is from some view points), but it is an system of an advanced democracy. All information is found in a link if you click on my signature.

Second can I arrange political assassination (I can also do it myself, since I know how to handle weapons)? If yes I will reduce all votes to 0 lol.

And see page 25 there Deus Eversor declares himself a part of my party and votes for me lol (Indirectly).

In the next 2 days I will write a more detailed description about Delexsianism, so it does not leave any questions open. If you have any post them on my Paradox mail, so it will include answerers to them.

 

[Enclave]

In my opinion - in order to achieve Athenian democracy level we must repel any attempt to one party system what nationalist party is trying to do. We all must tolerate each over, create civic society and remove any possible tyrrant.

 

[Emperor Ike]

In my opinion - in order to achieve Athenian democracy level we must repel any attempt to one party system what nationalist party is trying to do. We all must tolerate each over, create civic society and remove any possible tyrrant.

Well then we should do this by getting rid of the liberals. You must surely realise that your party wouldn't have a say in their coalition they have more members to vote how they feel and your votes wouldn't really count. But nationalists and delexianists think more closely the same things and there might be even a little part for delexianists in the First Galactic Empire...i mean in the new goverment. Join us and together we shall rule the galaxy as father and son....i mean join your goverment we shall make Switzerland a better place for Swiss people to live. We shall flourish our economy, strenghten our armies and our security. Maybe we could even make a Greater-Helvetia a dream of our fore fathers to come true.

 

[Emperor Ike]

And see page 25 there Deus Eversor declares himself a part of my party and votes for me lol (Indirectly).

That seems a pretty tyrant way of thinking.

 

[unmerged(13425)]

I think that now that the deadline has passed the votes shoud stay as they are and no more coalitions should be formed. Forming a new coalition after the voting deadline would be unfair, this would mean that any party could form a coalition after the deadline to win the elections meaning that some parties could ever win the elections. As Liberals have allready formed a coalition taking a new member in it after the voting is over wouldn't really be apropiate as the members of the coalition should have been anounced during the election times not after it.

I did count this:
6 for Nationalist
5 for Liberal Coalition
2 for Delexianists

Well, if this prognosis stands, we really should have nothing to worry about. Switzerland is a parliamentary democracy, right? Which means that all Bills from the government must be voted on in Parliament to be approved, right (that's what we've been doing alot, innit)?

So if this result stands, the Nationalists, being the biggest single party, will form the government and get to appoint the ministers.

BUT it still has to get its Bills through the Parliament, and it will be in the minority, so if the Nationalist government proposes anything outrageous - like outlawing the liberals - we'll strike that Bill down. Depending on the non-confidence rules, it might even be that if the Nationalists loose ANY vote in the Parliament, the government falls (there are such hair-trigger non-confidence votes in some systems, I dunno about Switzerland, our GM will be the final arbiter) and there is a new election. Upon which new coalitions can form.

If my assumptions hold true, all I say is bring on the Nationalist minority government - we'll bring it down the first time it proposes an outrageous Bill. That shouldn't take too long!

 

[unmerged(13425)]

Edit: Dang double posting server

 

[unmerged(44784)]

If the Delexianists (sp?) wish to live on to fight another day, they must vote for the liberal coalition. Fascism is a dictatorial ideology. If the people give up thier power, they can only do it once without resorting to violence.

 

[Spencer_123]

If my assumptions hold true, all I say is bring on the Nationalist minority government - we'll bring it down the first time it proposes an outrageous Bill. That shouldn't take too long!

Well, you will need to pact with Delexianists to prevent us passing a bill.

//Off Role// this remembers me of the Weimar republic, who used the Freikorps (extreme right para-militars) to crush the spartacist upraising, and afterwards the trade unions and communists to prevent a coup from the Freikorps. :rofl:

You will have to pact with Delexianists against us and with us against Delexianists :wacko: . Swiss democracy is doomed .

 

[unmerged(62478)]

Emperor Ike-Hey first you talk about an alliance and so on and then you stab me in the back!

Since the government is very balanced (Fascist vs Liberalist), the Delexsianist party is the one that makes the difference. So you dont want me as an enemy. If we would again vote for a fascist party ban, I bet the fascist would be kicked out.

 

[Emperor Ike]

Emperor Ike-Hey first you talk about an alliance and so on and then you stab me in the back!

Since the government is very balanced (Fascist vs Liberalist), the Delexsianist party is the one that makes the difference. So you dont want me as an enemy. If we would again vote for a fascist party ban, I bet the fascist would be kicked out.

I just pointed out that we are not so different. There could be a place in the cabinet for you too Delex.

 

[unmerged(62478)]

I just pointed out that we are not so different. There could be a place in the cabinet for you too Delex.

Well but I really like my current position. My party has 3+1 members (Deus Eversor is not yet a part of my party on paper). And many decisions are very Delexsianist dependant. My party shifts the balance. So it is not wise to be my enemy.

 

[Emperor Ike]

Well but I really like my current position. My party has 3+1 members (Deus Eversor is not yet a part of my party on paper). And many decisions are very Delexsianist dependant. My party shifts the balance. So it is not wise to be my enemy.

You know your dream was to have 11 people in the cabinet, 7+3+1 = 11.
You want to Get some land from France.
You want to Resist any influence of France.
You want to Build up a strong defensive army.
You want to Build industry.

Those are basicly the same ideas that NPS holds important.

 

[unmerged(62478)]

You know your dream was to have 11 people in the cabinet, 7+3+1 = 11.
You want to Get some land from France.
You want to Resist any influence of France.
You want to Build up a strong defensive army.
You want to Build industry.

Those are basicly the same ideas that NPS holds important.

Well it is my basic idea of maximum efficiency (Delexsianistic philosophy- similar to utilitarianism with some minor changes), with which we could actually achieve something. But this doesn't mean that my fellow party members have too agree with my opinion, and can be against it. And there is no rule in the party that could blame them for anything because of their opinion.

 

[Brian Roastbeef]

The Nationalists have a plurality of the votes, not a majority so they haven't earned the right to form the government any more than the Liberals have, not without the Delexsians.

Delex, you'd be unwise to trust Wolsey now. He's wanted nothing to do with you before. I've seen posters of the Nationalist strongarm squeezing Delexsianism out of Switzerland. The Nationalists seek to arrest those who oppose them. Up until today that included Delexsians. It is us, among the Liberals of Switzerland who share your belief toward freedom in Swiss voting.

I don't know what power exactly the Delexsian portion of our coalition government will have. We have to wait until we hear from Barca2, before I know how that is to be figured. As for voting, I assume it will continue as before. As your party allows freedom ofuvoting, then I assume your support will shift the balance from issue to issue. Sometimes you'll support the government; others you may support the Fascists.

In a Nationalist coalition government, those of us among the liberals will have fled or be arrested, and the voting will consist of just 5 or 6 Nationalists and 2 or 3 Delexsians. Guess how many votes you'd be likely to win there. Do you wish to be bullied by Wolsey or do you wish to maintain the precarious balance of Democracy in Switzerland?

We share many values as well. We agree with freedom of voting. We would like to strengthen Switzerland industrially and militarily. (Production won the resource vote handily among all parties) We wish to resist French aggrandizement in Switzerland, but unlike the Fascists, we're also willing to stand up to Germany and Italy.

You said before that you were ready to form a coalition government just to keep the Fascists out of power, and that's a good idea. Don't let Wolsey and his band of thugs try to trick you out of it. We've all seen how Hitler worked his way in and systematically removed his political enemies these past four years. You can't expect it would be any different among the Nationalists in Switzerland. Don't give them the opportunity.

 

[Enclave]

Off-AAR story:
A little story first. After WW 2 Finland kept strict neutrality with friendly relations to Soviet Union. When international crises arose warlords of commies and US tried to outmaneuvre each over in a spree of wars (Afganistan, Vietnam, Cube crisis and etc.). In United nations both sides (evil communists and free speech loving West) battled each over using veto right. This way both parties were in the role of "judge" - taking action and executing it. Meanwhile Finland was in a role of "doctor". Finnish diplomats always tried to find the roots of problem and solve it not so extremely as "judges".
(Sorry for hard-understaning text)
So, back to our aar
As a member of delxianism I propose this for Delex.
We can not align ourselves with nationalist party because their intentions are clear - they see us, liberals as communists. Their goal is one-party system with no free speech for anyone who opposes them. Also we must keep in mind that Swiss nationalists can any time to crush our smaller movement like Hitler did with SA.
Meanwhile Liberals are free speech loving and, I bet, civic society loving party. Their rule is much more gentle, not so extreme as nationalist's. So mine idea is if not make a coalition goverment with them, then keep friendly neutrality and play "doctor" in Swiss politics. We must always look for the best interests for Swiss people - that is century-old tradition of free speech and tolerance must remain. We don't need to kill opposing party's members like nationalists propose. We can all live peacefully, but if necessesary, any uprising which threatens our system, must be crushed.

 

[unmerged(62478)]

Hey dont start to fear guys. Im not for anyone. I just do what I have to so the advanced democracy survives. So stop persuading me to join the light or dark side because im in between anyway. I will act as an opportunist till a certain time of the game is reached.

 

[Hannibal Barca2]

OOC Notes:

- As I have not yet concluded the elections, it is still possible to vote and form coalitions. However I would like to note that Delexianism is still counted as a rogue ideology in Swiss politics, and it is highly unlikely that both Albert Meyer and Giuseppe Motta will accept them into their coalition.

- If the a party form a minority government (less than 50% of members in parliament), they will have to compromise with other parties. (Like granting them cabinet positions)

- In addition to rule, cabinet members also have power to do pretty much stuff.
Example 1: Security Minister sends the police to arrest all Delexists. If our current Security Minister had attempted this, he would most likely loose his position and the Delexists released soon afterwards.
Example 2: Chief of Army or General attempts to stage a coup and replace the government with a more 'suitable one'. This would be more likely to succed if General is highly respected amongst both population and army.
However, if you fail, you're most likely to be sent to prison'
Should you want to attempt any 'special stuff' like those above, PM me. Such things should happen in all secret until they succed or fail

- Remember: More than you think is possible

I will probably conclude voting at Wednesday, as then I think I have good time.

 

[Enewald]

But how are the votings looking like?
Does NPS have more votes than the socialists?

And can you try to assasinate a party member?
Then that member, if he dies, should not be able to vote anymore, but could send messages from the grave?
And in the end we have one party member left, who is the dictator.

 

[Emperor Ike]

But how are the votings looking like?
Does NPS have more votes than the socialists?

And can you try to assasinate a party member?
Then that member, if he dies, should not be able to vote anymore, but could send messages from the grave?
And in the end we have one party member left, who is the dictator.

Just get all your friends to vote for us to get majority of the votes , promise them cookies or cakes.