I wasn't reporting a bug, I was getting community feedback, to see if it was just me. Don't want to be reporting bugs that could just be on my end.
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Always just use the mantis bugtracker. It might be a bug and then it gets lost here.
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i'm not sure if it says anywhere in particular,
but given that vampires ARE a form of undead,
and as their souls reside in oblivion (coldharbour presumably) make them kinda-sorta-daedric-but-kinda-not,
and their version of "breeding" is to infect to make more vampires
it's not too far off to assume vampire women are incapable of bearing children. as opposed to vampire men who, like as seen in TES Oblivion, don't have to worry much about the reproductive system.
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Considering that vampirism from Oblivion onwards is treated as a condition that can change depending on how much blood you ingest and that, at the very least, stage 1 vampirism seems nigh-indistinguishable from actual humans, I fail to see the reason why a well-fed vampiric womb can't bear children when a vampiric guy can apparently be fertile.
That aside, making an extra-event just for the sake of making women infertile if they get bitten seems...off, for some undiscernible reason.
And that's coming from a guy who totally advocated letting women bleed out after birth in our own mod.
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i generally console drop nun on serana, not really because of vampires but just was tired of her being married to weird people.
Non historical/special vampires though, they should be fertile, if only for secret vampires being secret, infertility would give it away, and kill of AI dynasties, and non secret vampires should be able to do anything secret vampires can.
Non historical/special vampires though, they should be fertile, if only for secret vampires being secret, infertility would give it away, and kill of AI dynasties, and non secret vampires should be able to do anything secret vampires can.
there's a major difference. sperm are just carriers of DNA that men produce throught their entire lifetime (unless they're a eunuch or course), whereas gestation is an extremely complex process that could go catastrophically wrong with slightest defect... and a prospective mother being undead is most certainly a deal breaker.
as Ingun Black-Briar said: We're made up of thousands of parts with thousands of different functions all working in tandem to keep us alive. Yet if only a single part of our imperfect machine fails, life fails.
this is why even a seemingly youthful vampress like Serana is infertile. but a vampire father like the case of Lovidicus and a healthy, living mother- the Orc Luktuv gra-Malog, can result in a half-vampire.
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Not to insult Ingun Black-Briar here, but our body has plenty of parts that can stop working and still allow us to survive. Also, remember that this is all fantasy, and the Elder Scrolls verse doesn't necessarily follow the rules of our world. So there's simply no way to prove whether a vampiric womb would be better or worse than a human womb.
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Whoa whoa whoa...are you saying vampires can't be human?!?! Closed-minded, much?
I'm going to build a wall and make Dracula pay for itWhoa whoa whoa...are you saying vampires can't be human?!?! Closed-minded, much?
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try surviving without a kneecap, ACL, and MCL. that's what every city guard in skyrim has to. makes survival hard- and kneecaps aren't vital organs.
just because there's magic involved doesn't mean the fundamentals of biology and physiology are any different (save for maybe the argonians).
and yes there are ways to prove it! vampires are considered undead. needless to say, being pregnant while not technically "alive" in at least some ways is a bit awkward for the fetus- unless they're like Blade, now that event (9 months pregnant mother gets turned) is a realistic possibility of someone literally being born from a vampire mother i could get behind.
as shown by skyrim, the human souls of vampires are in oblivion (presumably coldharbour because molag bal and stuff).
Vampires are unable to age and are immune to disease; and while not impervious to death, a vampire may be killed only by meeting a violent end.
you know what other TES beings have that same kind of conditional immortality (albeit a much better version)? Daedra- supernatural beings who cannot have children.
now while vampires aren't strictly daedra, they share some similarities- especially as vampires are indirectly connected to molag bal, the progenitor of the vampire. given their daedric roots, it's not too far of a stretch to say that traces of the daedra (a word that itself is a translation of "not our ancestors") are present in all vampires.
additionally, even the best ideas in video games generally draw inspiriation from real life- see the mythology behind the Dhampir: the human/vampire hybrid originating from Balkan folklore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhampir. short story: vampiric men have
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CK2 isnt smart about dynasties and marriages as it is though. infertile vampires would just mean, AI vampires being dynasties ends and all marrying elves or eunuchs.
And you'd be able to spot secret vampires through their infertility
the hand wave, vampires are magic, so no worries. works as enough of an excuse to ignore and just let them have kids.
And you'd be able to spot secret vampires through their infertility
the hand wave, vampires are magic, so no worries. works as enough of an excuse to ignore and just let them have kids.
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I completed another game that lasted ~270 years, starting as the King of Anvil with the goal of unifying Cyrodiil and then eventually Tamriel.
The whole game was played on revision 975, with a few tweaks:
note: my title should actually be Empire of Tamriel
The whole game was played on revision 975, with a few tweaks:
- I added a decision allowing me to appoint local magistrates of the province's culture AND religion. The AI was not able to enact this decision.
- I tweaked the steward's Survey action to allow him to survey Sancre Tor, owned by a vassal, so I could get the Amulet of Kings. I removed my slight modification as soon as I got it.
- I used the console a few times, including switching to a few characters (then reloading). I tried to limit my actions to the minimum necessary for me to create a story, and I think the impact it had on the game was very minimal.
note: my title should actually be Empire of Tamriel
- Before I conquered it, Valenwood was dominated by the Mad King Athragar of Falinesti, who held close to 60% of the Bosmer lands. Had I not invaded, he may have been able to crown himself High of Valenwood.
- Alinor did nothing major, it expanded a bit into southern Valenwood as the Bosmer were weakened by my attacks in the north.
- Pyandonea was formed by King Lingarlan of Abbabas, who conquered Pyrrahn and had Orgnum executed. Now that's a cool story. Somehow, the island of Vos ended up in Argonian hands, and the title history thing isn't helping me on understand how.
- The Kingdom of Rihad, which once controlled 63% of the lands of Hammerfell, was cut down to size a bit by the kings of Wayrest. Nonetheless, they stay the region's major power.
- The Kingdom of Wayrest in High Rock survived its neighbours' attacks, but fell to an adventurer who turned it into a fully feudal state. It expanded much in High Rock and in Hammerfell.
- Orsinium stands again. Although it seems to be a rarer occurrence since a few revisions, the orcs of Betnikh were able to invade Daggerfall (a common occurence). The orcs of Farrun formed Orsinium first, their expansion into High Rock stalled by Wayrest. However, they were able to conquer Solitude and the Reach quite easily, which is too a common occurence.
- Save from the Orcish hordes in West, Skyrim is divided into three major kingdoms, Eastmarch, Whiterun, and the Rift. I don't think I ever saw Skyrim going anywhere near the possibility of being unified.
- Elsweyr, before the Cyrodiliic invasion, was separated in a handful of states, but the most notable were the land of Mane, Elsweyr, in the South and the Alkosh-worshipping realm of Rimmen in the North.
- Argonia is divided into four states, by order of importance: Lilmoth, Soulrest, Helstrom and Markmont. Not much to be said, I doubt they had any shot at unification.
- Morrowind is, quite frankly, a mess. A Telvanni grandmaster pushed his claim on Great House Dres and ended up in control of both houses ever since. The Hlaalu have also been reduced to a single province and I wouldn't be surprised if it disappeared.
- Yokuda is controlled by the King of Samara, which rule over 62% of the de jure territory. Yokuda is always so closed to be unified, yet it never does,
- Cyrodiil, given my heavy involvement in the region, isn't probably worth talking much about for balancing purpose. Long story shot, the Heartlands fell again and not because of me, Nibenay was strong up until its defeat.
- Atmora is under solid control over the Undead hordes, save from a village of unconquerable Nords.
- Catnoquey and Esroniet are unified, but Yneslea is still divided.
- The Tsaeci states are various but once again they won a few wars over the Po Tun.
- The Tang Mo realm of Lang Din rules over most of the islands.
- The Kamal Kingdom of Ryzgaley covers a third of the frozen lands of the Snow Demons.
- I had to tweak the Create the Empire of Cyrodiil decision to allow me to form it with Valenwood. I'm not quite sure why you can't form it with any neighbouring realm but are limited to one of the two (here: Skyrim of Hammerfell).
- The creation of the Empire of Tamriel feel very underwhelming. No event. Although, as you can see in the screenshot, it is buggy as hell (the EMPIRE of Tamriel is actually considered inferior to my KINGDOM of Cyrodiil).
- The decision for creating the Empire of Tamriel (and for other empires too) should probably appear as potential before you meet all the conditions, so you can have an idea what to do without going through the files.
- I had to own three kingdom titles. I understand this was possible in previous versions, but with the vassal limit set on default, I had to hand them out as soon as I had an Empire-tier title in order not to over the vassal limit (0 levies from vassals is quite... hindering). So I revoked the titles and formed the Empire of Tamriel.
- Once you have an Empire, you cannot get the warlord ambition. You are stuck to conquering either with one-province conquest, claims, or inquisitions. It's a bit overwhelming to suddenly stagnate just because you formed an empire title (and you had too otherwise you wouldn't get any vassal levies).
- By the end, I was getting 15% threat just for a single county. Once you start getting big and an empire title, every war will be massive for minor gains. It may be balanced, but it's boring as hell.
- On a positive note, rebuilding the Imperial Island's holding is fun as hell.
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You're speculating a lot here
"Vampires are created from daedra, therefore vampires follow daedra biology" This despite being formed from humans, meaning they could very well have non-daedric attributes.
"That because vampires originated from our world's mythology, that TES' vampires must follow a specific mythology's rules"
"That I was saying magic was involved in any race's biology" I was in-fact stating that their science and our science could very well be different, and to say it can not be is myopic.
Furthermore, your insistence that male vampires should be able to reproduce but female vampires should not seems based on personal beliefs instead of any logical conclusion. Again, I fail to see how a fetus surviving inside a vampiric womb would be impossible in a world full of things like cross-species breeding.
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Well, if we were going to follow form, we'd have half-vampire offspring born with the Abomination trait and thus congenitally sterile.
I'm not sure the discussion about vampire breeding should be held here. Anyway, I've seen many of those in other places, and the consensus is that the vampires can't generate life, it seems, so they can't birth someone... the female vampire wouldn't menstruate or produce ovules. I'm not a lorebeard, but that is what makes sense.
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Considering vampires can be cured and become fully alive instead of undead, I see vampirism as a disease that doesn't kill you but alters you like the corprus disease of Morrowind. So it might be possible that a vampire can have a kid, I assume if a female vampire appeased to Molag Bal by raping someone they could do it with his blessing.
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1. touche.
2. i'm not saying is HAS to be based on IRL mythologies. i'm saying that inspiration can come from somewhere. at until there's definitive clarification, that's the valid source of headcanon. could TES and Twilight have the same idea? maybe, maybe not.
3. science can only have so much deviation from reality without any kind of specific information. unless there's something saying the location of heart and bladder of elves in TES are in switched compared to real life humans, it's safe to say their biology mimicks IRL humans to at least a high degree.
the only definitive exception to this that the TES universe has given are the Argonians, who a reptilian, amphibian, and hatch from eggs but also have mammalian qualities. and the more feline. khajiit forms
even some daedra (whom lore makes quite to point out as supernatural beings wholly alien to the mortal world) like Xivilai, dremora, golden saint and dark seducer, are highly humanoid, and likely follow similar lines of physiology.
personal beliefs? ...ok now, i'm going to be blunt... ...do you really want to ****ing go there? i'm not a misogynist, so if you want to insinuate that, we're going to have trouble. it's really not nice to substitute a scientific argument with claims of prejudice. and doesn't look good towards your character
and yes, my ideas ARE based on logical conclusion. from IRL mythologies, to in-universe lore to a basic understanding of biology. idk where you are getting yours though.
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