surrounging the capital shouldn´t starve the 150 soviets provinces

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i played as german,
i surrounded moscow and didn´t attack,

the AI had superiority in al the rest of provinces but they units started to starve,
the only province that received supplies was the surrounded city....

it sounds more logical to me, that if you surround the capital,
the capital should starve,
not the country, specially one is huge.

when calculating supply, i would say that if the army is in a group of 5 provinces or more, maybe it should recevie supplies,

i it is completely isoleted, it doesn´t, specially when the territory is small with no resources or factories.


because, instead of trying to conquer enemy capitals, i try not to conquer them, i just surround them,
if a conquer them, the capital moves, and he starts to receive reinforcements.

ah, one funny thing was that i he started to put new fabricated units in the isolated capital.
making things easier for me.

 

[J.J.E.]

Wrong forum perhaps?

 

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Wrong forum perhaps?

As I understand it, this is a suggestion for HOI2.

I agree with him, basically. Every encircled 'pocket' should be its own, independent supply area and have to survive on the ressources it can produce by itself.

 

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As I understand it, this is a suggestion for HOI2.

I agree with him, basically. Every encircled 'pocket' should be its own, independent supply area and have to survive on the ressources it can produce by itself.

As long as it is a home province. Germans in Stalingrad should only get supplies if the line is open or by airlift.

 

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And if surrounded province is a big city, units shouldn't loose org. as fast as they do now. Now it's like encircle Leningard around october and wait until winter is over. Then those Soviet troops there have 0 org. and city can be taken basically without a fight after about six months.

 

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And if surrounded province is a big city, units shouldn't loose org. as fast as they do now. Now it's like encircle Leningard around october and wait until winter is over. Then those Soviet troops there have 0 org. and city can be taken basically without a fight after about six months.

Fair point, but the Soviets IRL were able to keep supplies coming in.

 

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Fair point, but the Soviets IRL were able to keep supplies coming in.

That's true but Leningard was mainly supplied through lake Ladoga during winter time when those truck colonies drove on ice to the city. That's not simulated in HoI.

 

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The reason for the Moscow issue is that all resources are hoarded in your capital city to allow for supply convoys. So, unless they change the supply system this issue will probably remain.

 

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That's true but Leningard was mainly supplied through lake Ladoga during winter time when those truck colonies drove on ice to the city. That's not simulated in HoI.

Didn't the Germans bombard this to break the ice ?

Does anyone know the details on that ?

 

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Didn't the Germans bombard this to break the ice ?

Does anyone know the details on that ?

I think the harsh winter weather kept most of the Luftwaffe grounded during this time.

 

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I think the harsh winter weather kept most of the Luftwaffe grounded during this time.

They had some awfully big artillery guns available.

 

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They had some awfully big artillery guns available.

I think Hitler was too concerned with the absolute destruction of the city instead of preventing supplies from reaching the city. So the guns were not retargeted.

Anyways, its a giant lake. An artillery shell ruins one part, you just drive around. The water refreezes and youre good to go again...

 

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I think Hitler was too concerned with the absolute destruction of the city instead of preventing supplies from reaching the city. So the guns were not retargeted.

Anyways, its a giant lake. An artillery shell ruins one part, you just drive around. The water refreezes and youre good to go again...

Well, it was a trick Napolen once used to great effect.

Hence, on a larger scale it could have been workable on Leningrad, too.

The aboslute destruction bit came in with Stalingrad. Which turned out to be a mistake, because it made taking the city harder.

 

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Which turned out to be a mistake, because it made taking the city harder.

Well Hitler wasnt into doing things the easy way that gives the best possible outcome...

 

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Well Hitler wasnt into doing things the easy way that gives the best possible outcome...

No, and btw : this is the gun I meant :-

It is bigger than a Cdat.

 

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It is bigger than a Cdat.

A LOT bigger...

And yes, the railroad guns. Not very practical but damn cool...

 

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A LOT bigger...

And yes, the railroad guns. Not very practical but damn cool...

Well, they were more designed for a psychological effect, at least that was what Big Bertha was bout with the shellig of Paris in WW I.

It was a sign of might.

 

[Ghost_dk]

i played as german,
i surrounded moscow and didn´t attack,

the AI had superiority in al the rest of provinces but they units started to starve,
the only province that received supplies was the surrounded city....

it sounds more logical to me, that if you surround the capital,
the capital should starve,
not the country, specially one is huge.

when calculating supply, i would say that if the army is in a group of 5 provinces or more, maybe it should recevie supplies,

i it is completely isoleted, it doesn´t, specially when the territory is small with no resources or factories.


because, instead of trying to conquer enemy capitals, i try not to conquer them, i just surround them,
if a conquer them, the capital moves, and he starts to receive reinforcements.

ah, one funny thing was that i he started to put new fabricated units in the isolated capital.
making things easier for me.

I completely agree with you and the best solution IMO would be that if the supply is still drawn from the capital i HOI 2 then the capital should move whenever possible if surrounded.

Ghost_dk

 

[javiermcabo]

I completely agree with you and the best solution IMO would be that if the supply is still drawn from the capital i HOI 2 then the capital should move whenever possible if surrounded.

Ghost_dk

Hmmm...

Provided that supplies must be somewhere phisically, maybe the player could choose the exact location(s)...

Raw materials should be transfered directly to the provinces needing them. That means, the most important industrial centers... Anyway, I'm speaking of a "continental" country like Germany or USSR. For the rest, no idea.

Definitely, HoI2 should not come out without a brand new supply system!

And in Leningrad, the lake convoy worked because that lake is huge! Anyway, thousands of people starved to death inside the city.

 

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I favour the idea of supply depots, big ones at home and smaller ones to be set up in occupied areas.