Surrender of Maine exploit

[Ferdinand_Bardamu]

Just to point out to players and Paradox developers that the Surrender of Maine event can be exploited.

If you wait for the Hundred Years War event to fire, and instead get the Surrender of Maine event but still want to go to war with England, keep the 'Surrender of Maine' event open, do not click it, declare war on England instead and then click the Surrender of Maine event.

You will get Maine for free whilst also being at war with England circumventing the truce the event creates.

Can provide screenshots later if people want to know what I'm talking about

 

[AvengedK1ng]

Why wouldn't you use the defensive cta? With castile or burgundy allied it means you get to invade England in 1st war

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

Why wouldn't you use the defensive cta? With castile or burgundy allied it means you get to invade England in 1st war

I think he is referring to the situation when England hands you Maine over.

 

[nobodyinparticular]

Why wouldn't you use the defensive cta? With castile or burgundy allied it means you get to invade England in 1st war

So you can properly use the re-conquest cb and pay no diplo points, plus you can demand your cores back much faster if you occupy england's mainland provinces + occupy portugal.

 

[AvengedK1ng]

So you can properly use the re-conquest cb and pay no diplo points, plus you can demand your cores back much faster if you occupy england's mainland provinces + occupy portugal.

100yw now works like a reconquest for france, so there should be no dip cost

 

[durbal]

Why wouldn't you use the defensive cta? With castile or burgundy allied it means you get to invade England in 1st war

You still can since you remain at war. You'll be able to take even more from England since you won't also have to demand Maine.

 

[AvengedK1ng]

You still can since you remain at war. You'll be able to take even more from England since you won't also have to demand Maine.

So the original casus beli is still selected, but does the defensive cta still trigger?

 

[vaLor-]

Just to point out to players and Paradox developers that the Surrender of Maine event can be exploited.

If you wait for the Hundred Years War event to fire, and instead get the Surrender of Maine event but still want to go to war with England, keep the 'Surrender of Maine' event open, do not click it, declare war on England instead and then click the Surrender of Maine event.

You will get Maine for free whilst also being at war with England circumventing the truce the event creates.

Can provide screenshots later if people want to know what I'm talking about

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're fighting England and its allies without your allies, for a single province?

 

[CoolSpin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're fighting England and its allies without your allies, for a single province?

and avoid the truce if england decides to just return Maine.

I guess its cheezing the event but the outcome is the same.

 

[vaLor-]

and avoid the truce if england decides to just return Maine.

I guess its cheezing the event but the outcome is the same.

They changed the surrender of maine war so that it's reconquest for france while being a defensive call-to-arms. Unless you're playing around England declining declaration of war, there's no reason to do this exploit.

Not choosing to have aragon, castile, or burgundy for a single province you could easily get in the peacedeal doesn't make sense.

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

They changed the surrender of maine war so that it's reconquest for france while being a defensive call-to-arms. Unless you're playing around England declining declaration of war, there's no reason to do this exploit.

Not choosing to have aragon, castile, or burgundy for a single province you could easily get in the peacedeal doesn't make sense.

I think England refusing to go to war is exactly the point isn't it?

 

[vaLor-]

I think England refusing to go to war is exactly the point isn't it?

How? The OP clearly mentions getting Maine for free.

If you were worried about England signing a truce, surrender of maine has a MTTH of 12 months, that overwhelming goes through with a reconquest war. Take your pick.

 

[Ferdinand_Bardamu]

Just to be clear here...

I think the optimal thing is to have England declare on you, so you can have your allies fight the war for you whilst you no-CB Byz . However, if England offer you Maine in exchange for a truce, you can still fight them by keeping the event 'Surrender of Maine' open, then declare the war, THEN click the event. You will own Maine as a core and still fight England circumventing the truce. Of course now it'll be an offensive war for you but that beats a truce and them allying Austria.

 

[subzero12479]

How? The OP clearly mentions getting Maine for free.

If you were worried about England signing a truce, surrender of maine has a MTTH of 12 months, that overwhelming goes through with a reconquest war. Take your pick.

If england gives you maine instead of declaring the war there is no event option for you to be the defender against them, you just get the province. if england decides to not give you maine you cant just take it anyway, the only options then are let them keep it or let them declare war. so yeah, england giving up maine is the only scenario the advice from the op would work.

if you anyway want to declare reconquest war asap if england refuses to declare their war, there is absolutly zero disadvantage in taking maine for free before declaring and saving a little bit of war score.

 

[Ferdinand_Bardamu]

If england gives you maine instead of declaring the war there is no event option for you to be the defender against them, you just get the province. if england decides to not give you maine you cant just take it anyway, the only options then are let them keep it or let them declare war. so yeah, england giving up maine is the only scenario the advice from the op would work.

I made that quite clear.

The ideal situation is of course you have a defensive war against England.

But if you that doesn't happen and they give you Maine for a truce, you can still take Maine for free and fight them without the truce with what I outlined above.

 

[Atlanteax]

They changed the surrender of maine war so that it's reconquest for france while being a defensive call-to-arms. Unless you're playing around England declining declaration of war, there's no reason to do this exploit.

Not choosing to have aragon, castile, or burgundy for a single province you could easily get in the peacedeal doesn't make sense.

Has this been verified by anyone?

Last time I was France and taking advantage of defensive CtAs via Event, I would had to pay DipMana for French cores.

 

[subzero12479]

Has this been verified by anyone?

Last time I was France and taking advantage of defensive CtAs via Event, I would had to pay DipMana for French cores.

the surrender of maine event uses a new custom cb since 1.33 that works like a reconquest cb for the defender.

 

[Atlanteax]

the surrender of maine event uses a new custom cb since 1.33 that works like a reconquest cb for the defender.

It would be awesome if all offensive wars of claimed provinces allowed for reconquest cb for defenders as well and not restricted to just this one event.

 

[AvengedK1ng]

It would be awesome if all offensive wars of claimed provinces allowed for reconquest cb for defenders as well and not restricted to just this one event.

I mean how many situations will that happen in? If you were weak enough to be declared on but can now win a war against a stronger person it makes sense people nearby would be worried about their own states

 

[vaLor-]

Has this been verified by anyone?

Last time I was France and taking advantage of defensive CtAs via Event, I would had to pay DipMana for French cores.

I'm playing a france campaign right now. I utilized this very change, it works. I had castile and aragon allied who joined the war.

Castile's navy was pretty useful for baiting naval engagements, and for fighting on my behalf when I left occupied territory undefended. Not having to deal with Portugal (or other possible allies) is quite nice if you want to end the war as fast as possible to go for other endeavors (PU war for milan, burgundy, brittany, prepare for PU on provence+lorraine, savoy, etc.etc.). With this change you can also effortlessly get a beachhead on Ireland for expansion (due to there being no forts).*

* Edit: I checked my history timeline and I didn't take the pale in the first war, perhaps you still need to siege a province in the area even if there isn't a fort, but I'm not sure.