Suprize! European freebie events.

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You're actually wrong. You can have province only events and set flags for particular countries so that only certain nations would cede provinces away.

You can't cede a province to a particular nation depending on the flag. The flag may determine who gets the event, not to who it give sthe province.

EDIT : or you need flags and events for every european nation

 

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OT, but I was thinking that during the italian wars, most of the "spanish" troops were mercenaries, mostly german.

Not at the beginning in 1495, when there were some mercenaries, but the bulk under the orders of el Gran Capitan were Spanish veterans from the war of Granada. They were responsible for kicking the vast superior French army out of Naples. It was not until 1519, when Carlos became Emperor that German troops became an important part of the Imperial army. But the troops were organized by nacionality, and the "old Spanish Tercios" remained the backbone of the army until the end.

In a sense it is funny to think that the Moors tought the Spaniards, what they later tought the rest of Europe, advancing the medieval warfare into the renaissance warfare. The Italians are credited for inventing the use of the artillery against infantry at the battle of Ravenna and for the advances in fortification engeneering. And yes, I am wandering too much OT... o

 

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I believe the cession events should only work for the historic discoverer from the original owner as proposed in the first post. All the others will have to go the standard way. This has several advantages:

• Gives a more historic result
• avoids having to give ahistoric ample knowledge of the seas
• prevents cheats

 

[Garbon]

You can't cede a province to a particular nation depending on the flag. The flag may determine who gets the event, not to who it give sthe province.

EDIT : or you need flags and events for every european nation

Well unlike you, I don't think that every European nation should get a chance.

 

[Sute]{h]

That would also kill possible exploit to get those freebies by conquering African states thru Morocco pathway!

Well that exploit would be better stopped by removing the pathway from the map...

 

[Garbon]

Well that exploit would be better stopped by removing the pathway from the map...

Yes...we should remove Morocco's connection to West Africa...they never did anything in the area.

 

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Yes...we should remove Morocco's connection to West Africa...they never did anything in the area.

I suggest you refrain of any editing of the map, as MKJ's busy with is new map. Any job done now would be wasted in one year.

Well unlike you, I don't think that every European nation should get a chance.

Yep, I do think so. Because I believe in causality : a particular situation has particular results ; if conditions are right, a particular event will happen. In specie, an european country discovering the asian countries around 1500-1700 and ready to devote sufficient ressources will succeed in taking the control of trade, like the portuguese did.

EU2 is a game. It's not a history book, that explains how events did happen, but a well made game that gives the historical tone of the era. If it was so, you wouldn't have any multiple-choice events, nor alternative events paths, let alone fantasy settings. For instance, it doesn't matter exactly who colonizes Roanoke, as long as it's a european nation in 95% of the case (because only europeans settled America - I resisted writing 99% ).

 

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Yes...we should remove Morocco's connection to West Africa...they never did anything in the area.

They conquered the Songhay empire, didn't they? Sacked Timbuktu, etc?

 

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EU2 is a game. It's not a history book, that explains how events did happen, but a well made game that gives the historical tone of the era. If it was so, you wouldn't have any multiple-choice events, nor alternative events paths, let alone fantasy settings. For instance, it doesn't matter exactly who colonizes Roanoke, as long as it's a european nation in 95% of the case (because only europeans settled America - I resisted writing 99% ).

Why do you set an arbitrary limit for your reasoning? Roanoke could also be chinese or muslim, as they also had explorers.

EU2 is a game, yes, but a historic game. Otherwise you get Fantasia. There are very good historic reasons why Portugal was the first to explore, followed by Castile. Those reasons did not apply to other European nations, and ignoring them is ignoring history. Why do you think all those Genoese and Venetian explorers were working for Portugal and Spain instead of for their countries?

 

[Garbon]

They conquered the Songhay empire, didn't they? Sacked Timbuktu, etc?

I was being facetious hence the eek and confused bit at the end.

It would indeed be greatly ahistorical to remove the passage.

 

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I'm also in favoring of limiting freebies to historically correct nations. Some of these freebies already exist, Portugal gets to inherit Lanka, Ormuz, and Cochin without war or occupation. Anyone know why AIs don't like declaring war in the Inidan Ocean region? Lack of cores? Relevant countries not on their hit-lists? This would be worth exploring an correcting if we want more historical preformance in this area.

 

[Garbon]

It might also be the distance factor in the AI file.

 

[almoravid]

You are killing a lot of fun with that, I'd say. Famous people like Yermak Timofeev or Hernan Cortez or Francisco Pizarro would not be starring in our mod any longer, which makes it a whole lot of duller.

 

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You are killing a lot of fun with that, I'd say. Famous people like Yermak Timofeev or Hernan Cortez or Francisco Pizarro would not be starring in our mod any longer, which makes it a whole lot of duller.

This is a good point as well, while it would help the AI, it could make for a very boring game as Russia, Portugal, etc. if all your historic conquests just fell into your lap with no effort on your part. Actually, lots of frontier commanders (not just in the colonies) frequently acted without government authorization figuring (usually correctly) that their insubordination would be forgiven if they were successfull. As monarch, the EU player already has far more power over his subordinates than any RL monarch of the time ever did.

 

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I am going a run a test myself. I am making a series about the conquest of America with a dual purpose: to guide a player that doesn't know what to do and wants to play historically, and at the same time to help the AI achieve a more historical result.

For example, the first event fires in 1492 and hints that la Hispaniola is the first place colonized. The following fires between 1501-1507 if la Hispaniola colonization is underway, and says that Cuba goes next, all the while giving a little help, mostly intended for the AI. Around 1519 an event will direct the player to Tlaxcala. If he conquers it, it will fire another one telling him to go to the capital and giving him some Tlaxcalan allies. We know what happens then. But a parallel AI only event will directly cede Tlaxcala to Spain in 1519 if discovered, together with lots of indian recruits and a fancy war declaration a few months later. That ought to do the trick 90% of the time, given that the AI is above level 5 always.

This should keep it still interesting to the human player, and provide the AI with enough help to perform historically. The info in the events will substitute the cores for the player as hints. The AI will basically be forced to go ahead and should be expected to accomplish in about 95% of the times.

I will be posting them in the Iberian thread if you want to follow their development and contribute to it.