Support independence (rebels) -> Hate your guts?

[Sadino]

So in a recent Muscovy game, Lithuania got itself into a peasant war fairly early in the game. While I was occupied elsewhere to jump on them personally, I was only too happy to spend some of my extra income on supporting rebels in hopes of picking up some future allies/eventual vassals. Smolensk was first on the list (especially as I didn't want them trying to walk into my territory while I was fighting hordes in the east) and with Lithuania in rebel hell, it wasn't too hard for them to gain independence. Everything was peachy-keen at start - +200 relations from financial support and an alliance... except Smolensk took all of 5 milliseconds to break alliance and rival me. This despite being something like ten times larger than 3-province Smolensk. And I was pretty much helpless to watch as Crimea happily took the opportunity to eat Smolensk because I still had a truce with them.

I just think that small nations with cultural ties to significantly more powerful nations should be in less of a hurry to paint themselves as targets just because they have borders, especially if said more powerful nation just spent a chunk of change to support their existence in the first place.

 

[clykke]

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Beagá]

That is why you support rebels AND then guarantee them. If you weren´t in a position to help them you waste your Money.

Also don´t support patriots, support russians or other culture that you accept and they defect to you. In my Hansa game Lithuania tried to westernize, supported prussian rebels, poooof defection to me.

 

[DicRoNero]

Em... accepted cultures also defect? Really?

 

[MadDjinn]

yup.

All those tasty Byleorussian cores can be yours if you support the culture rebels.

Even better -- they can wander into other cores and bring them as well!

 

[DicRoNero]

But those are not accepted, they are my main - within the same culture group. Accepted is the status you gain when the culture hits 20% basetax mark, like Tartar for Muscovy.

 

[MadDjinn]

But those are not accepted, they are my main - within the same culture group. Accepted is the status you gain when the culture hits 20% basetax mark, like Tartar for Muscovy.

It doesn't matter.

As Russia I had pulled a couple cores of the Ukraine out of Lithuania and then supported rebels. Both the Ukraine and I got provinces handed to us.

which, btw, is an easy way to prevent 'nationalists' from rising. If the 'nation' is already a vassal, they won't show up. But the cultural ones will.