Support independence is kind of stupid

[Jack45]

Ok, I was going for a (now failed) WC attempt as Austria.

Allied France to make my job a lot easier, also managed to get a Habsburg on the French throne.

Then the event that gives you either a 75% or 50% chance of your King dieing comes up. I pick 50%, dies anyway but don't care that much because of bad stats.

Literally 2 months later before I could get a new heir, my King dies. France inherits, with a succession war with Castille.

I want to declare independence obviously. Now this is where the stupid part comes in. Not one country wants to support my independence. I had 5 vassals before the war and a combination of friendly attitude with France (my allies took the same stance as my former stance on France), too far away etc. I mean at this point I had 4 reforms through. IRL people would be panicking about France annexing a united HRE, but nobody really seems to care in the game.

Of course I had to try on my own, but I had just finished a war with recovering manpower and I was no match for France and it's allies.

And yes this is yet ANOTHER ragequit thread.

 

[Iamdead7]

I know it probably infuriated you but that's a really funny series of events to happen to someone on a WC Austria attempt

 

[Trademaster]

These ragequit threads are amusing. When the game mechanics do not work in favor of people making these threads they complain that the mechanics are broken.

 

[ChildeR]

There isn't really a hurry in trying to get out of a PU when you aren't trying for a WC. I'm not sure France would ever integrate or inherit.

But obviously if you are trying to WC you can't take major setbacks.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

These ragequit threads are amusing. When the game mechanics do not work in favor of people making these threads they complain that the mechanics are broken.

Speaking of which though, I wonder if the march thing is intentional. You can get support independence as a march, but if you declare nobody will be CTA that is supposedly supporting you and you will not take a stabhit. That kind of sucks for say Moldavia for instance, but for nations that can't get support in many cases anyway like Mongolia it's like handing yourself 300 extra ADM and buying time if you need it.

 

[Stategem161803]

Speaking of which though, I wonder if the march thing is intentional. You can get support independence as a march, but if you declare nobody will be CTA that is supposedly supporting you and you will not take a stabhit. That kind of sucks for say Moldavia for instance, but for nations that can't get support in many cases anyway like Mongolia it's like handing yourself 300 extra ADM and buying time if you need it.

Is there some way to get the AI to make you a march?

 

[Less]

Is there some way to get the AI to make you a march?

As a vassal you can request it. I don't know all of the details of how the AI weighs things but I think it's generally very easy to do. AI is happy to feed you claims as well.

 

[Incompetent]

There is a general problem that the AI is much too blasé about major powers blobbing and becoming hegemons. The usual beneficiary of this indifference of course is the player. An AI that actually cared about the balance of power (and reacted badly to cancerous growth *in and of itself*, rather than just reacting to proxies like AE) would make for a more challenging game.

 

[bbqftw]

if you care about WC speed (fast revoke is EXTREMELY generous, you can probably waste 100 years doing nothing and you'll still be on track), then just play as aggressive as possible early, restarting the first 20 years isn't too bad

 

[Stategem161803]

I tried requesting to be a march as Mongolia and the tooltip said hordes can't be marches. :sad:

 

[atwix]

should have gone to war when you are heirless. The icon that you can fall into a PU is there for a reason. Just be at war until you get new king or heir, and you can't fall into a PU.

 

[hauptman]

if you care about WC speed (fast revoke is EXTREMELY generous, you can probably waste 100 years doing nothing and you'll still be on track), then just play as aggressive as possible early, restarting the first 20 years isn't too bad

Waste 100 years??? Hardly call that a "waste". There is no better way to get as much land as easily in 100 years that early in the game...

Comence vassal carpet tactics. Bye france, was nice knowing you (and using you as an "ally" to help me get this done faster).

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Waste 100 years??? Hardly call that a "waste". There is no better way to get as much land as easily in 100 years that early in the game...

Comence vassal carpet tactics. Bye france, was nice knowing you (and using you as an "ally" to help me get this done faster).

I think he meant that the rush-revoke gives you so large of a cushion/margin for error that if you do it you could blow 100 years and still get WC.