Supply of pocket : explanations plz

[Ibn_Solmyr]

Hello all, here is the screenshot :

Incoming supply : 8 (/13) by local infrastructure. How that supply can be "incoming" ? There is a "local base supply" yet + Tobrouk city which gives a total of 5 supplies.
There is no port supply mentionned.

So aren't "local base supply" and "local infrastructure supply" just the same thing ??

By the way, shouldn't that local (base or infra) supply be proportionnal to the control of the state ? If the idea is to say that there are civilian fields, farms, businesses, etc, shouldn't be proportionnal to the land a country actually controls, or something like that ? (There is such a system yet for state controlling where you gain a bit of control even when you conquerred only some "void" provinces.)

 

[SophieX]

You get some "extra" supplies from victory points; I found this in the defines;
VP_TO_SUPPLY_BASE = 1, -- Bonus to supply from a VP, no matter the level
VP_TO_SUPPLY_BONUS_CONVERSION = 0.1, -- Bonus to supply local supplies from Victory Points, multiplied by this aspect and rounded to closest integer

 

[Ibn_Solmyr]

You get some "extra" supplies from victory points; I found this in the defines;
VP_TO_SUPPLY_BASE = 1, -- Bonus to supply from a VP, no matter the level
VP_TO_SUPPLY_BONUS_CONVERSION = 0.1, -- Bonus to supply local supplies from Victory Points, multiplied by this aspect and rounded to closest integer

I know that. Sorry but not related to my questions at all. But yes Tobrouk gives 1 supply.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

So aren't "local base supply" and "local infrastructure supply" just the same thing ??

I’m not sure what you mean. The base value and the infrastructure value are not the same thing, as you can see by the screen. One is 4, the other is 8.

Think of the concept of a tax credit like Andrew Yang’s Freedom Dividend, versus a paycheck. In the real world, if you don’t work, you don’t eat. The base income of most Americans is zero. The infrastructure would be the paycheck. Think of the base value as what you would get if you had no paycheck. Think of the infrastructure as the paycheck you get in addition to the tax credit.

It is game math. Base income could be what you can take because you have guns, real life infrastructure is mainly the transportation system and supply chain... so the best analogy is still making the locals give you their stuff, but you now have a good road and rail system ... so you can take the enemy’s stuff from the towns on either side of you too.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

Hello all, here is the screenshot :View attachment 578168

Incoming supply : 8 (/13) by local infrastructure. How that supply can be "incoming" ? There is a "local base supply" yet + Tobrouk city which gives a total of 5 supplies.
There is no port supply mentionned.

So aren't "local base supply" and "local infrastructure supply" just the same thing ??

By the way, shouldn't that local (base or infra) supply be proportionnal to the control of the state ? If the idea is to say that there are civilian fields, farms, businesses, etc, shouldn't be proportionnal to the land a country actually controls, or something like that ? (There is such a system yet for state controlling where you gain a bit of control even when you conquerred only some "void" provinces.)

Try reloading? Pockets that still controls the state they are in doesn't recalculate their supply properly at run time.

 

[bitmode]

Incoming supply : 8 (/13) by local infrastructure. How that supply can be "incoming" ?

There is no port supply mentionned.

The port is not the bottle neck in this case, which is why it is not mentioned. The port could support 18 supply [3x6] but the infrastructure only 8 [2x2^2]. The tooltip on enemy areas also does not give as much details as the one on your own.

So aren't "local base supply" and "local infrastructure supply" just the same thing ??

Local supply base is a value inherent to each supply area, see https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Logistics#Local_supply.

By the way, shouldn't that local (base or infra) supply be proportionnal to the control of the state ? If the idea is to say that there are civilian fields, farms, businesses, etc, shouldn't be proportionnal to the land a country actually controls, or something like that ? (There is such a system yet for state controlling where you gain a bit of control even when you conquerred only some "void" provinces.)

Supply is measured in supply areas, not individual states. Agreed, it would make sense to scale it with controlled area. Italy would receive about 2.1 instead of 4 supply base here.

 

[Simon_9732495]

but the infrastructure only 8 [2x2^2]

The formular is

supply = 2 x (average infrastructure level)^2 (+others)​

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is this correct?

Do I really have more than 200 supply in a supply zone if the infrastructure is level 10?

 

[bitmode]

The formular is

supply = 2 x (average infrastructure level)^2 (+others)​

​

is this correct?

Do I really have more than 200 supply in a supply zone if the infrastructure is level 10?

Depends on what you mean by "others". The minimum of 2xinfra^2 and 3xport is the supply capacity of an area connected by sea. For land connections there are some other factors, see https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Logistics#Incoming_supply.
You indeed get over 200 supply with 10 infrastructure - if the whole supply chain to the capital supports it.

 

[Simon_9732495]

I read the wiki page, but still don't understand how to calculate supply over land.

Lets say the capital is in a 100% infrastructure supply zone, then comes a 80% and my unit is again in a 100% zone.

Wiki says:

Overland: Supply areas with a land adjacency. The value is the sum of:

• 0.5 times the square of the average infrastructure in the sending supply area. Capitals do not receive this factor.
• 2 times the square of the average infrastructure in the receiving supply area. Note that national capitals incorporate this value in their "local" supply.

It says "the sum of", that means, my unit has at least 200 supply. I'm not sure what the sending supply area is: In game the next area is important. Let's say it's that.
That would add another (0.5*8^2) 32 and make it 232 supply. I think I'm doing something wrong.

I have to subtract something, right? But what?

 

[bitmode]

I'm not sure what the sending supply area is

It is the neighboring supply area the supply arrow is pointing from. So for a supply area next to your capital, it would be the capital supply area.

I read the wiki page, but still don't understand how to calculate supply over land.
I have to subtract something, right? But what?

No, your calculation is correct in principle. But as mentioned in the wiki, the capital does not receive the bonus from previous infrastructure (because it is the source of supply flow). So in practice you will be bottlenecked by the 200 supply throughput your capital can provide if everything is built up to 10:

For infrastructure less than 10 your calculation is correct. With 7 average infrastructure in the receiving area (2*7^2+0.5*10^2=148):