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Sterkarm

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He now has over 12 I think...

Well, I didn't know about diplomacy not being so bad, oh well, I actually look forward to starting a kingdom in Iberia, and hopefully inheriting my father, therefore getting claims on half of the British Isles...

Also, I hope England and I can come to peaceful terms, perhaps keep our current boundaries and exchange a few here and there?
 

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Connections finally work again. It's been raining cats and dogs the last few days. Actually, it has been in 1930's when it has rained as much as now. Here in the bushes roads have partially or totally washed away (they are fixing our road atm) phone-center underwent a hortcircuit (so we lost phoneconnection and Internet-connection). Suprisingly we *haven't* lost electricity this time.

Took a look at the save. England is doing pretty decently, that is nice. England has lost a lot of provinces, but atleast the situation has stabilised. Altough it is a bit sad Scotland has taken so much of English lands.

Talking about Scotland, Sterkarm succeeded to get Kinslayer immediatly, again! Whoaah! Are some of us a bit slow learners? :rolleyes: ;) :D
 

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Jarkko Suvinen said:
Took a look at the save. England is doing pretty decently, that is nice. England has lost a lot of provinces, but atleast the situation has stabilised. Altough it is a bit sad Scotland has taken so much of English lands.

Well, turn about is fair play. Scotland has taken parts of England, but England has also taken most of Wales....
 

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Sterkarm said:
Well, I didn't know about diplomacy not being so bad, oh well, I actually look forward to starting a kingdom in Iberia, and hopefully inheriting my father, therefore getting claims on half of the British Isles...

I wouldn't get too eager about that. Ireland has a load of rebellions to put down, AND she already had lands from a crusade in her posession which means that she can't get any more from Crusading until she does the whole "convert the land and fight a PC" thing.

The only way you would be setting up a new Kingdom in Ibera would be to go to war with other Christian nations. After you quell your rebellions (and earn the BB that will result from doing so), you're likely going to have to end you conquoring days- perhaps even for a couple generations- unless you want your country to collapse again. Plus, getting enough territory to build a new kingdom in Iberia would likely draw you into a war with one of the other powers that has holdings in that area (like England or Germany.)

Germany has only recently begun expanding again, and that was after nearly 40 years and three kings of doing nothing but keeping my kingdom together. (Well, except for one nearly-pointless war against England after he annexed one of my vassals.) And speaking of poor England, the de Normandies are STILL trying to rebuild after her catastrophic flirt with BB...
 

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Looks like I'll be showing up.
 

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ditto
 

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With the issue of inbreeding raising its head last session, I think we need to establish some sort of rules about it. Here's my suggestion.

1. You can marry two people who share no grandparents without problem.
2. If you want to marry people who are related closer than that, from sharing any grandparents and up to being first cousins, you must ask the Pope for a dispensation. This is done by asking the current Papal controller (PC) for permission for such a marriage. The PC is free to demand any sort of favors, bribes, whatever.
3. If the PC is an AI ruler, you must send him a gift of some large sum of money, say 1000 gold. This must be witnessed and confirmed by at least two other players (i.e. they watch the PC and confirm that his gold increases by 1000).
4. Once a dispensation is received, it cannot be nullified, even by another PC in the future.
5. Dispensation cannot be granted retroactively, so you better watch who you marry. However, if a forbidden marriage is discovered, the husband (if a player) has the option of getting an annulment for it. This would be done by editing the game to remove the marriage and make all children resulting from it bastards.
6. Marrying anyone closer than first cousins (uncle and niece, half-siblings, grandfather and granddaughter) is forbidden and no dispensation can change that.
7. If someone knowingly arranges a forbidden marriage and refuses to annul it, the PC has the right to excommunicate the unlawful husband and wife and their children regardless of anything else. The ruler who arranged the marriage (usually the husband's liege) can also be excommunicated, but not anyone else.

For simplicity I also suggest that this applies only to players' countries. Let the AI inbreed all it wants.
 
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Solmyr said:
With the issue of inbreeding raising its head last session, I think we need to establish some sort of rules about it. Here's my suggestion.
Sounds rather complicated to me...
 

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I like it. It adds more flavor, and it also gives people a reason to WANT to be Papal Controller. I think that it should only apply to PC realms, and AI realms should be free to do as they wish willy-nilly.

And while we're on the subject of excommunication, we should probably formalize what we agreed to since there was some dispute last session. As I recall, what we agreed to essentially boiled down to two rules:

1) A player needs to be able to justify with a legitimate Role-Playing reason a decision to excommunicate a ruler unless that person has a piety less than -10.

2) You cannot excommunicate a courtier in a given court unless you are also able to excommunicate the ruler of said court.

There was some quibbling about other rules, but I believe those are the two we formalized. It allows a regent with decent piety to protect their children while they are in their court, but still gives enemy players a chance at heirs (ie- when they get their own lands.) If a player wants to protect a given person from excommunication while a given player is papal controller, they will incur a minor prestige penalty if the person is male. I think that is approrpriate given it IS a king cowering to some extent before the power of the Church.