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Zeitgeist said:
OE can be indeed strong, but Spain is stronger. Winning last 3 wars vs OE, and crashing Sweden. And going to crash Sweden again it seems, so i don`t give you a peace. I said that three times at game and forum clearly.
Zeitgeist said:
Well, according Saber, Spain broke NAP with him too. Done by sub, but approved by you, when you made demands on Kopenhagen and Gotland.
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Hmmm, you thought of me, i wouldn`t discuss ? You didn`t offer me anything, like you offered to France. Instead you just dowed me with super-admiral. After all those deal breakings, last active phase from you was that you consider OE strong and threat and dow me each 5 years. You didn`t alter your position from those times.
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I heard first time that i don`t talk to you. You issued strange rumors by last two quotes. Your version is different from mine. I talked with you in game, and i got notification at icq that "i may be want to talk with you later". That is all.
P.S. It is possible that my last active day before the session will be Friday again this week.
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I never signed a NAP with Sweden, and actually told KJ that it would be a good place to fight. There seems to have been some confusion though about an NAP signed in game, which I have no clue about. Since I would have attacked SWE anyway, I just went ahead with demands.
I sent you a few ICQ messages before last session but never heard anything back, in addition to the fact that you said we'll fight till 1819, makes me conclude we have nothing to talk about. But if you're willing to, well, I stand corrected.
I sent you a few ICQ messages before last session but never heard anything back, in addition to the fact that you said we'll fight till 1819, makes me conclude we have nothing to talk about. But if you're willing to, well, I stand corrected.
Hes never there when you need him, although I tend to see him online quite often when I dont got the urge to talk to him. 
Absolut said:Hes never there when you need him, although I tend to see him online quite often when I dont got the urge to talk to him.
pak you, pay me
Spain will pay the OE an indemnity of 5k for breaking the treaty, after the conclusion of this war. That's my form of reparations. I should not have broken a treaty I signed and although Tonio did not request this, I am undertaking this commitment unilaterally. I'm sure Tonio will use the cash to try to destroy Spain, but I'll deal
Also, public limits to expansion from offensive wars:
Spain's demands from OE: 3 Mediterrenean islands. I will do all I can to end the war in a timely fashion though, so if other things are what I need to stabhit for, don't think I won't.
Spain formally offers the olive branch to Sweden for the next 69 years. In the likely event that Sweden declines, as Copenhagen will not be returned peacefully, Spain will not seize more than the remainder of Denmark + Osel. But the olive branch has been formally extended publicly. If Sweden declines, her warmongering intent can be clear for all to see, and Spain will act swiftly and accordingly, rather than allow the Swedes time to build up again and attempt to crush the Spanish navy against the Ottoman anvil. Should other powers intervene, Spain reserves the right to demand other things and either trade them or come back later, not to mention that relations will be damaged with any intervening powers.
Spain has no other claims on any other European powers.
Note: This stated policy does not preclude Spain from taking part in other wars to preserve the viability of other nations or the balance of power, real or perceived. Also, Spain will, if it is within her power, seize territory over and above the listed above in a defensive war, so various powers should consider themselves forewarned before commencing war with Spain.
The various non-European nations, except the OE, should also consider themselves fair game, should the Spanish feel so inclined.
Also, public limits to expansion from offensive wars:
Spain's demands from OE: 3 Mediterrenean islands. I will do all I can to end the war in a timely fashion though, so if other things are what I need to stabhit for, don't think I won't.
Spain formally offers the olive branch to Sweden for the next 69 years. In the likely event that Sweden declines, as Copenhagen will not be returned peacefully, Spain will not seize more than the remainder of Denmark + Osel. But the olive branch has been formally extended publicly. If Sweden declines, her warmongering intent can be clear for all to see, and Spain will act swiftly and accordingly, rather than allow the Swedes time to build up again and attempt to crush the Spanish navy against the Ottoman anvil. Should other powers intervene, Spain reserves the right to demand other things and either trade them or come back later, not to mention that relations will be damaged with any intervening powers.
Spain has no other claims on any other European powers.
Note: This stated policy does not preclude Spain from taking part in other wars to preserve the viability of other nations or the balance of power, real or perceived. Also, Spain will, if it is within her power, seize territory over and above the listed above in a defensive war, so various powers should consider themselves forewarned before commencing war with Spain.
The various non-European nations, except the OE, should also consider themselves fair game, should the Spanish feel so inclined.
The Chinese Empire feels insulted by these words as they strain our what have so far been peaceful relations.
Spain has only shown it's true face with this new proposal. Sweden will never agree to Spanish Baltic and we will use all means necessary to preserve what is ours.
I find it amusing that Spain calls Sweden warmonger for wanting COPENHAGEN back and yet Spain is the one that broke NAPs and initiated several offensive wars on unsuspecting nations.
I find it amusing that Spain calls Sweden warmonger for wanting COPENHAGEN back and yet Spain is the one that broke NAPs and initiated several offensive wars on unsuspecting nations.
Sweden is one to talk. Did Guale just become Swedish magically?
In any case, I signed no NAP with Sweden, and I can only assume if KJ signed one, he clearly didn't know it, since he attacked Sweden anyway. Hence I do not feel honor bound in the slightest to respect Swedish territorial integrity.
In fact, since I instructed him that Sweden might be a good target for Spain's hopelessly outdated galley fleet and would have done the same exact thing myself, the state of affairs suited me fine.
In any case, I signed no NAP with Sweden, and I can only assume if KJ signed one, he clearly didn't know it, since he attacked Sweden anyway. Hence I do not feel honor bound in the slightest to respect Swedish territorial integrity.
In fact, since I instructed him that Sweden might be a good target for Spain's hopelessly outdated galley fleet and would have done the same exact thing myself, the state of affairs suited me fine.
Well saber, you cant say that i didnt warn you...
I kept telling you to feed on the dying carcass of Spain, since this one had 700 galleys while you had lots of warships (attacking his colonies would have killed him, and he would stand watching...).
All the islands that he got, were pure easy warscore... I am surprised how this spain didnt get raped yet.
But no, you insisted saying that spain was friendly.
I kept telling you to feed on the dying carcass of Spain, since this one had 700 galleys while you had lots of warships (attacking his colonies would have killed him, and he would stand watching...).
All the islands that he got, were pure easy warscore... I am surprised how this spain didnt get raped yet.
But no, you insisted saying that spain was friendly.
Zeitgeist said:Spain will pay the OE an indemnity of 5k for breaking the treaty, after the conclusion of this war. That's my form of reparations. I should not have broken a treaty I signed and although Tonio did not request this, I am undertaking this commitment unilaterally. I'm sure Tonio will use the cash to try to destroy Spain, but I'll deal
Excuse me, but your funding for described goals are not enough !
You need to invest decent amount. Go and return with real offer Look, insane Spain has 1400 warships support and 5-5-5 admiral vs 2-3-3 of OE. So you need to fund something like 2500 warships for OE, which costs about 150 000 ducats. Why do you offer your misery help ?
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Well, OE demands from Spain then CoT + 3 islands, same as Spain demanded on us
Besides we are happy to inform, that Spain refused to compomise, so we do same way. Let America be rebelled :rofl: Zeitgeist said:
The only real warmonger and aggressor is evil Spain, who threats and dows everyone, grabbing other core CoTs, like Alexandria and Kopenhagen. But even that is not enough for evil aggressor, who wants more.
Well, Spain gave Alexandria to France. It seems to me that he's not stealing them, just redistributing them to the poorer countries. Like Robin Hood
haha, Robin Hood
haha, France is poor country
Spain is bloody aggressor, it is clear for everyone.
haha, France is poor country
Spain is bloody aggressor, it is clear for everyone.
What we have a Robin Hood?
Help me robin I'm in a tight spot. Take 10k ducats from France and give to Prussia
btw have anyone seen Cheech recently?
Help me robin I'm in a tight spot. Take 10k ducats from France and give to Prussia
btw have anyone seen Cheech recently?
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bunka you can speak to me any time on icq. Ive been trying to approach prussia for ages but you havnt wanted to speak to me.
Note i havnt attcked you for some time despite you being an easy target.
Note i havnt attcked you for some time despite you being an easy target.
Yeah but you haven't been online sadly... guess I'll talk to you if I see youcheech said:
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