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Bunka, French monopoly of CoT in Delhi is clear violation of my rights to monopolize that CoT. You may have been unaware of the rights so I will pass it and will not embargo France immediatly (since Cheech didn't do anything wrong), however I need assurances that France recognizes my monopolies in Mughalese CoTs and that it will not break them.

Other then that, it was a fun session, I increased my income by about 15% although being in a war whole session and losing Copenhagen and Gotland. Current war with England is unfortunate, and I have been able to hold on despite major setbacks (afk, ...).

I hope England can accept our offers of fair peace and stop this meaningless war.
 

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Well I had it almost the entire time I subbed and you didn't complain a single time so I was unaware of that :p
 

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glad to have you back bunka. since rokka left and came back i would be unfair to bar your return.

and we need the players anyways ou were always the most dependable next to abs to show up on time.
 

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I wonder what will happen once Napoleon kicks in... As Absolut said, Rock on! :D
 

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China can always be of service lending cannon fodder.
 

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71 manus? well, your lucky because the OEs i permed always had crappy trade, else i would end with a similar number (usually ended with 40-50 manus built).

And knowing you like i know, i bet you released vassals and fed em so they built manus for you. That is, against my principles. ;)

Still, i wonder what hapened in that game to make you have so many shipyards/mp. Did you do something nuts like annexing China?

You are correct. I had to pull that card out because competition was getting a little too hot with Portugal becoming so uber and the Austro-Polish-Russian alliance always ganging me, but I think I was well within my right to do so, since I invented that tactic myself. I think anyone else who uses it should have to pay royalties of some sort ;).

As for shipyards/mp, it might be a little easier to get mp in Drake's scenario. But I'm making use of the vassal/low central bug and have like 38 CCs. And my expansion ain't bad; into northern India, East Hungary, and down to the Congo in Africa. Could be much worse for sure :). I had to be completely at peace for a couple sessions to manage to build all this crap, and a 2600 warship navy. It just takes some dedicated minting though.
 

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King John said:
You are correct. I had to pull that card out because competition was getting a little too hot with Portugal becoming so uber and the Austro-Polish-Russian alliance always ganging me, but I think I was well within my right to do so, since I invented that tactic myself. I think anyone else who uses it should have to pay royalties of some sort ;).

John, people used that in 1.05 here, but it was admitted no-no, same as in FAL exploit thread now.
 

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glad to have you back bunka. since rokka left and came back i would be unfair to bar your return.

and we need the players anyways ou were always the most dependable next to abs to show up on time.
yay :D
 

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I am truly baffled that John is, after all these years of eu2mp, still feeling the need to exploit the game.

The game didnt have such a rule forbiding what he did, so he is allowed to do it, even if its "gamey" or an "exploit". I personally dont like that as well, but he was on his right to do so.
 

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feeding money to vassals for manus? Okay if the game reaches the point where manus are so absurdly expensive as to make releasing a vassal, feeding it 20,000 ducates to build manus and then reannexin it as a viable strategem then I think there are some far far far more serous and fundamental balance issues with the game.
 
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I think it should be banned, although I dont think this game has gotten that far or will get that far.
 

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Tonioz said:
John, people used that in 1.05 here, but it was admitted no-no, same as in FAL exploit thread now.

I never heard anything about that. Whoever came to that conclusion kept it to themselves.


While we're talking about exploits, how bout that one about hiding ships in enemy ports permanently for intelligence, where they can't ever be dislodged, eh Tonio? ;)

I don't think anyone else here is guiltless either, except possibly Fal. He should probably be given an orb to wear over his head :p.
 

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John, i used this and other tricks. Think when you give MA. It is between two players.

But that didn`t let me get manus for cheap price and boost conditions of my country, like getting 30 manus instead of 15. It is between player and exploiting eu2 only.
 

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well, i informed Abs shortly yesterday. Now i describe better picture how i see that from here.

I joined game, where Spain used high WE of OE and controlled sea to kick OE for CoT + 3 islands. Okay.
Austria informed about deal of selling them 2 provs for 1500 ducats. I was allowed not to take it, but i decided to honour the deal, because it was done, thought i`d prefer to save 2 provs of course.

At first week after my first session Spain offered twice agreements, and twice took them back, when i agreed on them. Before Spain informed me that he thinks that he should attack me each 5 years if no agreement reached. Finally making mutual enemies.

Then Austria gained Rhodos for Spain. Then Istria (which i sold them). Now Malta. 3 ports in total. Telling we are rather friends, supporting evil nation, that again attacked me.

What for Spain took Alexandria from me ? To give it to France for a cheap price. Then France refused to sell it - only to swap for another good CoT.

Absolut is telling he needs money and can`t avoid Spain (who is enough protected by France by land). But certains things like taking provs for my mutual enemy, who behaved bad to me by own decision, and like taking my justified CoT to let my mutual enemy avoid it losing, makes me to think about adequate measures.
 

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I'm fearing Cheech... can't help saying that since Nappy is on his way and this France is more than prepared to conquer Europe...

crap...

Well everyone knows my position in Europe...Enemies surrounding me and no one to ally since you have dumbass wars against eachother (Spain, OE, Sweden, England)
 
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Tonioz said:
well, i informed Abs shortly yesterday. Now i describe better picture how i see that from here.

I joined game, where Spain used high WE of OE and controlled sea to kick OE for CoT + 3 islands. Okay.
Austria informed about deal of selling them 2 provs for 1500 ducats. I was allowed not to take it, but i decided to honour the deal, because it was done, thought i`d prefer to save 2 provs of course.

At first week after my first session Spain offered twice agreements, and twice took them back, when i agreed on them. Before Spain informed me that he thinks that he should attack me each 5 years if no agreement reached. Finally making mutual enemies.

Then Austria gained Rhodos for Spain. Then Istria (which i sold them). Now Malta. 3 ports in total. Telling we are rather friends, supporting evil nation, that again attacked me.

What for Spain took Alexandria from me ? To give it to France for a cheap price. Then France refused to sell it - only to swap for another good CoT.

Absolut is telling he needs money and can`t avoid Spain (who is enough protected by France by land). But certains things like taking provs for my mutual enemy, who behaved bad to me by own decision, and like taking my justified CoT to let my mutual enemy avoid it losing, makes me to think about adequate measures.

Frankly, Tonio, OE dug its own grave before you joined with the WE. That wasn't my wish, but Austria was in bad straits and about to be annexed. I didn't even want any part of the damn war, and when Mulli peaced Austria, he offered me WP and I accepted. However, when Mulli broke truce on Austria, I broke truce on OE, and that time I was not going to give in easily. And of course I was going to use the high WE with that monster. I realize this is not your fault, but this is how it is.

Breaking the deal was bad, I won't lie. The first time you claim we had a deal, but I never thought so. The second time we definitely had a deal though, and I chose to break it. What you neglect to mention is that I notified you over ICQ a couple days before the session to allow you to make the diplomatic moves that you needed to adjust to the situation. I'm sorry if you didn't get them until before the session, but I made every effort to notify you in a timely manner.

Do I regret it though? No. I shouldn't have signed the deal in the first place. OE is so strong that such a deal could have had permanent ramifications for everyone else, so I'm glad I snapped out of it. I was afraid of what you'd do to Austria, Sweden, and England, although ironically I'm the bad guy now as far as Sweden is concerned. Although I hate to break deals, it's important to note that I gained no benefit out of doing it.

You attacked my sub KJ last session, so you can't even claim that Spain tried to take advantage of the fact that you might not have had any time to conduct new diplomacy last session and realign vs Spain. So, besides some bruised feelings, OE suffered NONE. Alexandria was traded because it seemed clear you wouldn't discuss anything with me anymore, so it was time to do something else. It's pretty obvious to everyone who you were gunning for, and I had to DoW you this session before Sweden is ready again.

Now you won't even talk to me, which is your decision, and one that I'd hardly blame you for given the broken agreement, but if you change your mind you know my ICQ. That is all.
 
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