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I have asked FIL to sub me again, but I didnt get an answer yet so. I hope he is able and wanting to, but if not I trust on you guys. :p As I have to leave right now.

P.S. Fil has my instructions
 

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A small chance that I might be late...

my cousin celebrates his 1 birthday (he's 1 year old ^^) and It starts15CEST which gives me 3 hours. I think I'll make it but just to make you prepared
 

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Better find a sub fast cuz I`m going away to a friends house to take some doubts I have regarding the test...+/- 40 mins till I go away and pass that point I wont be able to tell his instructions...
 

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I think it was a nice session (sadly for france to lose) and I got a new ally (HAB). Hope everyone stays ingame

Peace out // Bunka :cool:
 

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stats are up and eek omg. Spain has huge cash reserve. =(
 

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Hello, i subbed Spain. I do not know whoever is playing it but i wouldnt care less.

The thing is, when i subbed Spain, things were awesomely caothic. Spain had about 6 WE or more (in cores!) almost 0 army, being stab hited to the death by Austria and very crappy morale, despite having DOTF (i couldnt even assault minimal forts sucessfully ffs).

I imediately started minting like a bitch, started getting mercs and so on. Veneto was taken to avoid getting more stab hits. After situation against austria stabilized, i was DoWed by France. All hell seemed to break loose, but i kept in mind that my dear Spinola, yes, my dear Spinola, would come and save my hairy ass in 1602. So , i tried to avoid France at all cost, and focused on defending Spain/Holland in massive numbers, or behind rivers. Flanders, Brabant and Hainaut were obviously lost. But when My awesome, kick assing Spinola spawned... Kept getting mercs and blitzed defenseless southern France. Cheech tried to stop me and ate the bait: i was looking for some decisive battles to manage to Blitz him deadly. In a few years managed to turn the tide, and had all southern France under my belly. Austria tried to intervene but their armies got uterly stoped by 3 factors: they had to travel across a river, they had only infantry ON PLAINS, and to top it all, i had the god forsaken Spinola.

In the peace treaty, i managed to get 4 provinces outa France. I was about to kick some austrian butt but i prefered to WP them, despite wanting their itaian holdings. No one gave me instructions on what to do, so, sorry if i disapointed whoever is the PERM.

I had 350 MI when i got in, by the end of the session i had 550 MI or such. Income raised drastically, and i researched one infra and one trade level. With all the cash i got i built some forts in Iberia (Turenne is spawning soon... Beware!), built a shipyard and got about 700 ships, 200 warships and 450 galleys or such. I wouldnt have wasted cash on ships since England seems to be friendly and so does the OE, but since China kept threatning me, i decided to. I also was about to build manus till i noticed the bankrupcies were about to hit. Anyway, by the end of the session, i got attacked by China despite not asking to, because i was too busy and could not focus my full atention on the PC. China is pretty stupid to think they can actually beat Spain: they will never get WS enough for a single stab hit.

Anyway, sent the 44 admiral i had with the 200 warships to California. They are about to reach it soon (they are near argentina atm). Sent a random conquistador i got via event there as well, to avoid atrition. Boosted trade a LOT, and might i say, it was kinda hard thanks to Sweden.


Spain got potential, but with Austria, France and possibly Bradenburg they are pretty messed i would say. It will take a genious now to lower the inflation and to raise tech speed. DP sliders are also messed: i mean, what the hell was the PERM thinking when he got aristocracy as Spain?! Free trading isnt a good thing either, Spain does not need extra merchants nor extra colonists since it is totaly narrowminded. Full Serfdom doesnt help things either. The Spanish army morale stinks, and if playabled properly, France will totaly steamroll Spain with Turenne. I moved a DP click towards land and another towards free subjects. Aristocracy also needs a major fix. It is hurting both infra and trade efienciency.

Anyway, whoever is taking over Spain, i wish them luck: you will need it. Tech sucks, and +10% inflation... Pretty ANGRY France, Austria, and prolly Bradenburg and/or Sweden.

EDITED: the 10% inflation was thanks to the bankrupcy. i minted about 3% during the war with France/Austria. I also got about 4-5 agricultural revolution events, raising your MP a notch.
 
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Anyway Cheech, Absolut, i did enjoy the war. I am not mocking you, but i really loved this. I though i would loose but Spinola is a bad ass. Congrats on the well fought war.
 

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I see Ego forgets that my CRT on him. My own Navy is very formidible Ego and NT 18, so I can if deciseve battles are not in my favor retreat as I can see your ships coming form a mile away.

Anyways, I'll try to find a replacement now for Spain.
 

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Viva España!!!




P.S. you honestly think your pathetic navy can beat a leader, 200 warships and homewaters? Better think again Sid: i lost too many a big fleet with your thoughs as well. KJ may tell you how many ships i lost versus his ubber admiral where i had 4x times his numbers.

And damn, i never though a Portuguese so proud of being one would say Viva España one day... Bleh...
 
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You fought really well EGO, I couldnt have done it better myself. :)

Austria couldnt really afford to build expensive cavalry, I had noone funding me or anything and had to rely on my cencus and perhaps mint every now and then. :(
 

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and for forget my crts on you ego. I have NT 18
 

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5:00 of the morning in here. Trying to sleep for the past hour but could not due to the horrors revealed on one dream: I just saw PE, Villars & Co sitting their asses in Madrid.

After reflecting a bit, i though... France was in my hands... 95 WS, and i demanded only 52 WS of provinces. I should have been harsh and turbo-annexed them. Cheech had rebels everywhere. The WP with Austria is controversial too. I wouldnt allow my WE to rise while i was not at war with France, but i did not like allowing Austria to go unpunished.

I would just like to remember Cheech that this little cute Spain had France on his hands and was pretty generous, but i am fairly sure he will not remember that on the next peace treaty. :rolleyes:
 

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I will be showing no mercy to spain.

Way I see it is if they feel its just to take southern french lands then iberian cultured provinces are fair game too? :) Having said that I dont actually want them. I just want what youve taken from me.

You think when a player has total victory they should annex another country ego? If you annex another country, or ruin it for that player, then the game will likely die no ?.

People used to tell me i gave harsh peaces back a couple of years ago. I used to ask 3-4 provinces max which makes me a fluffy bunny in todays standards. The game has changed though to be more like a typical MP. I dont really like this move to powergaming. Ive found games rarely last to the end because of it. Games usually seem to die before 1700 these days because people screw each other. Back in the 'olden days' around half of games acually finished. Now i erkon maybe 30 percent?

Nothing personal ego but I never realised you were this powergamey to eat into southern france then call this generous???. Some of your chat during the war I wasnt to keen on. I dont like it when people make ROFL and LOL comments after battles or gloat of mock.

You did a little which dissapointed me. You wernt insulting just a little cocky which I think is beneath you.

Anyway well done on a well fought victory. Im still in a bit of a daze on how this happened as i had a rough weekend. I dont recall making any major tactical errors or anything. I guess the war was just a bad idea given my lack of any leaders and spains income. Money was a problem with my inflation.

I was suprised I couldnt keep up with your numbers (maxed out on MP) and my feeble forts allowed you to blitz my lands once my armies were done.. DOTF was essential for you too I think. Some of the battles were very close in morale terms.

PS well done again
 
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Dear Cheech

I said LOL because it was simply amazing that your entire army disapeared from the night to the day, while we both had LT 18, where such things tend not to happen. Not due to your skills, so if i offended you in any possible way, excuse me please.

About the morale: only in the lowlands did i fight without a leader. And there i kept loosing battle after battle when you showed up with the same numbers. In the south, i always tried to defend that silly river (dunno the name) while Spinola took over all minimal forts. Spinola just crushed your forts like butter, while 50k inf couldnt. My morale was purely crap.

I do not think the current peace was generous. But what did you want me to do? I could not take southern italy from you, due to Small Forts, plus the proximity with Austria. I could not take the low lands from you till the last part of the war. Well, i wouldnt turbo annex you either, in a normal game. But between you and me: unless this Spain gets 1 or 2 new friends, it is dead after 1630. And if i was the Spanish PERM, if i had to choose between my nation or yours, i would definetely choose mine. It is a question of survival. ;)

What truly made me win was my minting, which gave me insane cash amounts, Spinola and not to be forgotten: Mercenaries. I used my MP pool only to build insane cavalry amounts.
 

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Perhaps because you do not know the history of the game is why you take such an extreme view. You said that spain needs to do this to survive etc. Noone wants to kill spain. In fact even if i tried id get ganged.

Point is that spain during this war didnt receve help because the old alliance has ended and people probably saw it as fair enough for this spain (big spain) to loose a few provs in europe.

I know you seem to joke how feeble this spain is but it has portugal and holland and 500 income. This aint bad m8. You have a point in the sliders but look at the state of my france?

Now I think that in terms of long play taking south france was perhaps a bad idea. What would I have done?

Probably demmanded italy stuff + naples vassal... Maybe even vassal france. That way You would be safe for 20 years? No you hadnt taken those provs but you could have asked.

Anyway, thats just what I would have done.
 

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Cheech, 500 MI isnt helping Spain. Look at the Spanish tech speed. Look at everyone's NT. Even China got bigger NT then Spain for christ sake. The bankrupcy just fired and this Spain was not ready for it. Absolutely not. Your petty wars with her will only induce its decline even more. In order to win these wars spain will require major amount of cash. Look at the amount of gold i lost. More then both you and Austria together. This Spain controls Portugal and Holland so what Cheech? Holland provides much WS for either you, Bradenburg or for a potential Sweden. I wouldnt ever step into Holland unless i had the means to protect it. Thing that Spain does not. Holland isnt that rich (apart from Flandern), because it is totaly wrong culture/wrong religion. Actually Holland, IMO, is only worthy of MP to Spain at this stage of the game. And Portugal, pfff. Spain, actually, is the nation that hurts more from having no Portugal in the game.

Although your France looks a mess compared to Spain, things arent like that. You do not have any colonial holding. You barely need income since you keep funeling all your cash into LT for your petty wars. Spain needs NT, while you do not since you got 0 colonies.

With the Spanish batch of good leaders ending in 1630, barely more then 120 MP, very bad tech, very bad sliders, godlike inflation due to bankrupcies, not so good income (550 isnt that good by 1620 imo), and lots of enemies... England and OE seemed to be allies, but the OE did not move a single finger. If Spain got annexed they wouldnt care less. Austria + France is an evil combination... On the continent, there is no other nation that got historical leaders capable of beating the French ones, apart from maybe Austria (well, Prussia with Friedrich owns too, but they are an Austria lapdog...).

Personally, if i ever PERMed such a country, i would give all the French provinces, Nice and Hainaut, for perhaps Naples and Rome and induce a serious amount of reforms to boost the Spanish economy.
 

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Spain has its problems but my point is relitive to france they are pretty good. Anyway, no point arguing on such a thing.

Dont know what you mean by petty wars though...
 
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