Suicdial AI, again, and gain...where this ends?

[AdAstra]

Suicidial AI is familiar concept, they overestimate power of the alliance, positioning and tons of other things, dow, lose, gg.

Now, you have to watch REALLY CLOSELY will you join offensive wars or NOT. Based on last game with Lan Xang my game got ruined when Pegu DOW:ed twice as powerful alliance and dragged me in.

AI also gives AWAY happily your provinces in peace deals.

So basicly, joining AI wars in situations where there is higher chance to lose be it Offensive/Defensive is not recommended. At all. Also feels like AI is much more retarded in this patch, more than usually.

Couple of cents, I guess ill wait for hotfix of a hotfix of a hotfix.

 

[Chaingun]

Got any save games? Stuff like this is far easier for us to evaluate if you can get a save file where it consistently happens uploaded.

Have some fixes to some famous suicide cases (e.g. DOTF) in next patch, but there may be new regressions I'm not aware of.

Also generally interested if you can elaborate on "retardation", need to know what's wrong to be able to improve it. Most bug fixes were indeed mostly fixes to weird behavior rather than "AI now plays better" stuff for this particular version, but I might be able to make it actually play better in the future.

 

[nukemind2012]

AI is Definetely a little weird this patch. Not just suicidal. Austria in my current game is DOW every OPM in the HRE: Ravensburh, Salzburg, Ulm, and at least two others have fallen before them. Then they tried to chomp on Poland. They got smashed. Watching from the new world as a Western civ trying to get that new Chieve.

 

[RyanX]

In addition. The AI seems unable to back down from a succession crisis. Not sure if this prevails in the current patch, but I've witnessed Bohemia fighting Austria, France and Poland alone for the throne of France.

 

[happymix91]

Got any save games? Stuff like this is far easier for us to evaluate if you can get a save file where it consistently happens uploaded.

Have some fixes to some famous suicide cases (e.g. DOTF) in next patch, but there may be new regressions I'm not aware of.

Also generally interested if you can elaborate on "retardation", need to know what's wrong to be able to improve it. Most bug fixes were indeed mostly fixes to weird behavior rather than "AI now plays better" stuff for this particular version, but I might be able to make it actually play better in the future.

Ai Ragusa DoWed Bosnia which had Serbia as an ally, and Ai Bohemia DoWed Brandenburg which had Pol&Lit as an ally. Ragusa had no ally, and Bohemia called one small HRE state as its ally. It doesn't make sense that DoWing enemy had at least 2 times more strength(Bohemia was severly outnumbered). I thought that you guys reconized this issue..

I can't upload file(I can't find the reasn why the forum says 'error') though..

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

Also generally interested if you can elaborate on "retardation", need to know what's wrong to be able to improve it.

I would not know where to start really, from the AI doing suicidal naval invasions because it "thinks" it is attacking with the whole stack (trying to reason but ofc I can´t know for sure) when in reality due to lack of cogs it is suiciding 1/3 of its stack at a time to complete freezes. Tbh at this point I would already be "happy" if the biggest problem in-game was finally fixed: AI freezing. Can you do that?

 

[gothos]

In my (well, one of several very, very short) Granada game, Aragon with just Naples with them DoWed Castille/Portugal in a conquest of Cuenca or whathaveyou. They lost horribly. They DID have France as their allies but didn't/couldn't call them in. I wonder if AI disregards which allies will join when considering DoW?

Another thing is in my Golden Horde game (yeah, much much MUCH easier than Granada, relaxing even) Muscovy DoWed Lithuania (under PU with Poland with Brandenburg as allies) for conquest, and they got pretty mauled... It's hard to tell which way this would go if I didn't pounce on muscovite scum using the opportunity, but I'd say it falls into the category as well.

 

[xAsura]

Yeah I just started a Hosokawa Ironman which ended quite quickly when Japan in its infinite wisdom decided to declare war on Korea who was allied with Ming this while myself and the rest of the daimyos were fighting each other in another war at the same time so it was impossible to make a unified front as half of us were fighting each other. Anyways I collapsed to rebels and Japan lost half of its vassals. Suffice it to say I stopped playing after that

 

[alertiu5]

AI also gives AWAY happily your provinces in peace deals.

I also like giving way AI provinces instead of my own, if losing and it is possible, so I think it's WAI, frustrating as it is. Gave Ottomans 5 provinces from Hungary in my Trebizond run

 

[Rex Chroatorvm]

Well, in my MP game which we started yesterday after the patch, AI Burgundy with the ally Brittany, attacked France with the allies of Venice, Ferrara and human Denmark with all the PU's loyal. France had already eaten Provence, so they were strong on their own anyway. Suffice to say, Burgundy got trashed.

 

[Allurai]

I've experienced this.

Was playing Poland, got called to arms by Brandenberg (as their only ally) in an offensive war vs Pomerania, Denmark(+ their 2 PUs), Novgorod and the Emperor (Austria whom was allied with France, Genoa and Hungary). Their side of the war outnumbered ours by approx 15:1. That ironman save got rage deleted =/

This bug is avoidable though for a 25 prestige hit, so is possibly not as frustrating as your subjects/allies not contributing to wars and instead just having their armies standing on a territory pretending to move for the entire war though.

 

[Helperman123]

Ai has the intelligence of a toddler, what do you expect to happen?

 

[jebates]

I think it has something to do with the new 'will join offensive wars' button for the player, that the AI gives that too much weight or something and doesn't do force calculations correctly. I am but one man! I cannot fight super-Janupur all by myself, Delhi!

 

[ruzen]

I guess players have to be more carefull about who to ally & enemy with now. Couse players do what OP described very often: sell your AI ally on half way. AI is more selfish now and I'm ok with that but that trust level must have more depth into It.
Its vital to mark your intrested provinces before war.
Its more important to find reliable ally than any ally.
but I get that what you say about neverending patch fixes. Yea Its just the way It is at Paradox.

 

[AdAstra]

Got any save games? Stuff like this is far easier for us to evaluate if you can get a save file where it consistently happens uploaded.

Have some fixes to some famous suicide cases (e.g. DOTF) in next patch, but there may be new regressions I'm not aware of.

Also generally interested if you can elaborate on "retardation", need to know what's wrong to be able to improve it. Most bug fixes were indeed mostly fixes to weird behavior rather than "AI now plays better" stuff for this particular version, but I might be able to make it actually play better in the future.

I think it is reported already on bug forum. Is also pretty easy to test, launch game, select small nation, play 50 years.

 

[Chaingun]

I am aware of a lot of issues, mostly wanted to see if there were some we weren't sufficiently aware about.