Most of Western Anatolia provinces should have Greek culture, but that might weaken Ottomans even more, so let's just change Smyrna.
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Sugla/Smyrna should be have Greek culture
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This has been suggested multiple times already. The thing is, during Timur conquests in the 1400s, a majority of the christian population of Smyrna was masaccred and they only returned there following the migrations in the Ottoman empire way past the game's start date. There was definitely no Greek majority in Smyrna in 1444.
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The city: yes, but I think OP is talking about the province. I believe it should still be greek.
Btw from wikipedia:
In 1402, Tamerlane stormed the town and massacred almost all the inhabitants. The Mongol conquest was only temporary, but Smyrna was recovered by the Turks under the Aydın dynasty after which it became Ottoman, when the Ottomans took over the lands of Aydın after 1425.[19] Greek influence was so strong in the area that the Turks called it "Smyrna of the infidels" (Gavur İzmir).[20]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smyrna
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to believe it? Let's completely remove the Turks from Anatolia. Is it true that Armenian culture is dominant in the lands where the aq qoyunlu, saltukids, eratneids ruled for years? Stay away from populist approaches.
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This has repeatedly been discussed in the past, and the response has consistently been against making Greek-majority provinces in Anatolia, since only cities had big Greek population, not the countryside surrounding them, and the provincial culture is meant to represent not just the cities' population but the population of the countryside, as well.
That said, it's worth pointing out that Sugla/Smyrna and Aydin/Tralles flip to Greek in bookmarks past 1700 (comments on the game code state that they "should not be Greek or Orthodox in 1444; [their] status as a majority Greek [cities] dates to at least after the 17th Century"), so perhaps a late-game event could be added which represents the Greek communities in Sugla and Aydin growing to become the province majority?
That said, it's worth pointing out that Sugla/Smyrna and Aydin/Tralles flip to Greek in bookmarks past 1700 (comments on the game code state that they "should not be Greek or Orthodox in 1444; [their] status as a majority Greek [cities] dates to at least after the 17th Century"), so perhaps a late-game event could be added which represents the Greek communities in Sugla and Aydin growing to become the province majority?
I think the issue is that, there is definitely still a greek population in anatolia in 1444. The numbers are unsure, and if its dominant culture in certain area is also uncertain.
But would it make sense to add at least one province in Western Anatolia with Greek culture?
I think so, sure it may not have been the majority, but there are enough greeks in anatolia to justify at least one province being greek. It's one of the reasons why I feel maybe a jewish culture somewhere in poland or lithuania makes sense as well.
But would it make sense to add at least one province in Western Anatolia with Greek culture?
I think so, sure it may not have been the majority, but there are enough greeks in anatolia to justify at least one province being greek. It's one of the reasons why I feel maybe a jewish culture somewhere in poland or lithuania makes sense as well.
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I would solve it differently. Just give Byzantium or any Greek/Cursader-nation the event that christians resurface or soemthing with the copts in Egypt the difference here that the sugla state becomes Greek, you could also put it in the missions as it would be strong yes but not overly as Greek culture isnt really that good of a culture group would be a nice gift for a good Byzantium or a crusade... Dont think that if the knights would have won that many turks would have stayed in anatolia.
You could do the same for Amrenian if you give them a mission tree/ well even to the late state of the Ottoman epmpire big parts of todays kurdish land had big armenian population and even majoirty status in most. I think this could fix the issue of it beeing only in cities and stuff as you wouldnt see it in 99% of games, but as a rp or good Byzantium/Armenia you could get some nice reward not pinpointed on some lame 20 years buff.
You could do the same for Amrenian if you give them a mission tree/ well even to the late state of the Ottoman epmpire big parts of todays kurdish land had big armenian population and even majoirty status in most. I think this could fix the issue of it beeing only in cities and stuff as you wouldnt see it in 99% of games, but as a rp or good Byzantium/Armenia you could get some nice reward not pinpointed on some lame 20 years buff.
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Same issue with copts, they were about or over 25% of egypt's population, but don't seem to have been majority in any province
Personally I'm satisfied with the conversion events happening.
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I think the 1453 start date actually does have Smyrna as Greek culture already. I don’t know if maybe Greeks weren’t a majority again until that time?