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I have always felt that the usa could use a bit more flavor...
And since it was recently the 4rth of july I thought now would be the best time to post something about it


Before we move onto the suggestion, I may be asking for too much, So at least take a few of these into consideration?

First, I want to suggest that they get their own government type with an event accompanying it to fire soon after independence giving them this government type. Government right here:
American Republic(name up to further suggestion)
Effects:
Stability cost -10
Yearly prestige +1.5
Minimum autonomy of all provinces 10-20%?
Elections every 4 years
No republican tradition lost for re-electing twice UNLESS citizens vote against the re-election in whichcase You lose republican tradition, If re-elected more than twice you shall lose much more republican tradition and 1 stability
If citizens vote for your re-election a third time you do not lose 1 stability for re-electing, but the penalties on republican tradition still drop
Stats for presidents should be random just like monastic orders and also show up like this: ?/?/?

Along with a few events to come with this government type? (Might be a silly idea with no major game changing elements so im not a huge fan on it although it could help spice up the government)
Election events!

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Upcoming election
Firing conditions:
Must have American Republic
Must be 3 years since last election
Upcoming election did not fire since last election
Ruler must have not been elected twice

Effects:
Option 1. Promise Nothing

Option 2. Promise lower taxes: Tax efficiency -5% for 8 years +10% chance to win the election

Option 3. Promise really low taxes: Tax Efficiency -15% for 8 years +20% chance to win the next election

Option 4. Promise more FREEDOM(sorry) +10 autonomy in all provinces and +20% chance to win the next election

Option 5. Promise Peace (Cannot declare war against any nation without suffering +6 unrest for 6 years +20% chance to win the next election

I might have made this one real messy so if you don't like the events move on ;P

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Strong opposition to "Ruler name"
Firing conditions:
Must have American Republic
Must be at least 5 months since last election
Citizens love "Ruler name" did not fire since last election
Strong opposition to "Ruler name" did not fire since last election
Chance to fire should be some rare number, So it shouldn't happen for every president or very commonly

Effects:
Option 1. -20% chance to win the next election

Option 2. Knock out all opposition Lose an ammount of income and -5% chance to win the next election

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Citizens love "Ruler name"
Firing conditions:
Must have American Republic
Must be at least 5 months since last election

Strong opposition to "Ruler name" did not fire since last election
Citizens love "Ruler name" did not fire since last election
Chance to fire should be some rare number, So it shouldn't happen for every president or very commonly

Effects:
Option 1. +20% chance to win the next election , -2 unrest in capital province

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Successful Speech
Firing conditions:
Must have American Republic
Must be 3 years since last election
Sucessful Speech did not fire since last election
Chance to fire should be some rare number, So it shouldn't happen for every president or very commonly

Effects:
Option 1. +10% chance to win election
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If you are thinking about adding the political parties then I would suggest they work simular to the dutch republic with each party giving unique benefits, Just know that there is more than 2 political parties in the usa
Although I personally would rather not have this mechanism

Second, I felt the ideas were kind of weak aside from the goods produced 15% with 2 ideas dedicated to religious tolerance and 1 to a casus belli that you can easily get by taking exploration ideas which you most likely will be taking as the USA
Here is my suggestion for the new ideas:

Traditions: 1 Merchant | -10 Development cost
Idea1: Negative religious tolerance no longer gives any penalties. | Religious unity +20%
Idea2: Unrest -2
Idea3: Colonist 1
Idea4: Morale of armies +10
Idea5: 15% Goods produced
Idea6: Permenant casus belli on natives | Yearly Nationalism -5 years
Idea7: Military Technology Cost -8%
Ambition: 0.5 republican tradition


Development cost could use a re-shuffle, Although I have not so much of an idea as to where to put it and what to replace it with.

Third, A few events
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Whenever the usa becomes independent more than 99% of the time their culture is english(if formed by britain), I say there should be some kind of event which changes the culture to american that fires if these conditions are met:

Country is: USA
"This event" did not fire
Culture is in the "British" group (so, Even if the culture was american before this event they still get the -25% culture conversion cost for 10 years)
Is an independent country

Effects:
Option 1: Primary Culture changes to American
Culture conversion cost -25% for 10 years

Option 2: Prestige -10

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American manpower

Event firing conditions:
Country is: USA
Owned provinces: 320
Year is at least: 1700

Effects:
Maximum Manpower: +20% Until the end of the game

This one could be historically inaccurate since america wasn't really very popular for its manpower until they reached the pacific coast...
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Final, a few missions:

1.Conquer the north-west
effects: add claims on the north-west
completion: owns all provinces in the north-west
reward: 10 prestige

2.I'd say florida but you already have this one

3.Control louisiana trade
completion: has more than 50 trade power in louisiana
rewards: (idk)

4.Control Carribean trade
completion: has more than 50 trade power in the carribean node
rewards: (idk)

Excuse all my editing, Making sure this is more readable

As for other members... comment if you see anything wrong with my suggestion and want it changed otherwise wish to suggest additional things
 
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It depends what you mean by "strong" and China is hardly comparable with european powers, because it's bigger and more populated than the whole Western Europe. About the first lines, it's the same everywhere and more in China than everywhere else.

I suggest to stop arging about dick sizes here.
Sorry if I get worked up when zenophobes act as though their country is the only good one and the only one that should matter in EU4.
 

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OK but the topic is not about China and more flavor to USA is seen as irrelevant by many because it's not an important power of this time, not because we think that only our country matters. I'm french and I don't even played the french yet after 1000+ hours. Because I enjoy more challenging games. A lot of us think that there are more important stuff to be improved before caring about a country that we almost never see ingame. The biggest problem to me is Spain colonizing Africa and Portugal not caring about India and depending too much on Castile, and I'm not Iberian. But this is the biggest problem because it affects almost any game you play, even as an Asian or African nation. I'm pretty sure that nobody would stand up against a chinese flavor content. And I'm not even against an USA one, I just think that it shouldn't be a priority.
 
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I'm always baffled when I see people demanding changes for USA. I think that there are far more important changes than adding flavor to nation that is only playable for few decades.
Is this seriously the only reason why nobody wants this implemented? because "other countries could use more flavor"???
 

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Is this seriously the only reason why nobody wants this implemented? because "other countries could use more flavor"???

More like because the USA does not deserve that much attention. At all.

People make a freaking storm everytime any suggestion about giving content to Byzantium (A FAR more interesting choice for the period, in spite of its situation in 1444), do you frankly expect people to receive a suggestion about additional content to the USA well? Especially when it already gets so much attention in games where it IS relevant and important?

More flavour is always good, but the USA already got a DLC and it is literally tier 999 in the list of countries that need flavour. The only reason it got a DLC in the first place is because of the "MURICAFIRSTBEST!!1!" audience, which is a pretty large market by itself. There's 0 reason to waste time with the USA in EUIV and not with something like Mexico, Canada, Colombia, Brazil, Caribbean. It's just unecessary. If Paradox is to add flavour to the colonials, then it should affect ALL CNs.
 

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More like because the USA does not deserve that much attention. At all.

People make a freaking storm everytime any suggestion about giving content to Byzantium (A FAR more interesting choice for the period, in spite of its situation in 1444), do you frankly expect people to receive a suggestion about additional content to the USA well? Especially when it already gets so much attention in games where it IS relevant and important?

More flavour is always good, but the USA already got a DLC and it is literally tier 999 in the list of countries that need flavour. The only reason it got a DLC in the first place is because of the "MURICAFIRSTBEST!!1!" audience, which is a pretty large market by itself. There's 0 reason to waste time with the USA in EUIV and not with something like Mexico, Canada, Colombia, Brazil, Caribbean. It's just unecessary. If Paradox is to add flavour to the colonials, then it should affect ALL CNs.

Lol, In that case i got a whole nother list especially for Mexico, Had it all thought up before i even made this 'murica thread.
Also, that quote reply is just a more detailed way to say "the usa does not deserve much attention" I got that the first time dont need to say it again, I just want the usa to have AT LEAST as much flavor as portugal or poland otherwise just a little bit less, which it doesn't have. It probably would if they didn't remove the "american republic" which they had before common sense
 
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Lol, In that case i got a whole nother list especially for Mexico, Had it all thought up before i even made this 'murica thread. Also, that quote reply is just a more detailed way to say "the usa does not deserve much attention", Yeah i got that the first time dont need to say it again

I mean, don't get me wrong, personally I see no problem with Paradox implementing suggestions from players if they are detailed and all.

Now, giving some feedback to your suggestions: some already exist (event for American culture, although it is way too unlikely to fire like you must be aware of), others have existed in the past (American Republic, which was removed along with other special governments like Archduchy and Empire), and others would be better off implemented in a generalized way (improvements to elections in Republics).

The missions are good and simple enough to implement, but I disagree with permanent extra manpower event for the USA. It did not have such a large manpower base in the period to warrant such a bonus, which is pretty much a free NI. Idea changes would not be good, imo, because the USA have a pretty unique set of national ideas (Even if not too powerful) and that is good.

And, on top of it all, "MURICA DESERVES MORE ATTENTION MUH FREEDOM" threads do pop up way too frequently in these forums, for some reason. :p
 

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I mean, don't get me wrong, personally I see no problem with Paradox implementing suggestions from players if they are detailed and all.

Now, giving some feedback to your suggestions: some already exist (event for American culture, although it is way too unlikely to fire like you must be aware of), others have existed in the past (American Republic, which was removed along with other special governments like Archduchy and Empire), and others would be better off implemented in a generalized way (improvements to elections in Republics).

The missions are good and simple enough to implement, but I disagree with permanent extra manpower event for the USA. It did not have such a large manpower base in the period to warrant such a bonus, which is pretty much a free NI. Idea changes would not be good, imo, because the USA have a pretty unique set of national ideas (Even if not too powerful) and that is good.

The manpower is kinda disbalancing but it comes at a way later date, I suppose it isn't very historical either up until they buy louisiana but since that's too far into the game I suppose it isn't worth making an event over, but remember there's buffs like that for countries such as france or the ottomans. As france you can get up to 30% base tax off of events and national ideas. Ottomans get +1 legitimacy and I believe another 10% tax (up until 1821)

We got sweden who has the most of all these weird events fishy aint it...
Or the papal states who can get +25% manpower and a bunch of other events with multiple choices on what to choose,

I don't get what you mean by "(Even if not too powerful)" , even in my suggestion 2 ideas are rather useless:
Permenant casus belli on natives | Yearly Nationalism -5 years
Negative religious tolerance no longer gives any penalties. | Religious unity +20%

If I were any colonial nation usa or not, I'd choose religious there's little to no point in becoming humanistic
^
in the end that's your opinion tho, wont try to force my logic upon ya

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And, on top of it all, "MURICA DESERVES MORE ATTENTION MUH FREEDOM" threads do pop up way too frequently in these forums, for some reason. :p
Hehe I don't wanna come off as a "murica" kind of guy
TEXAS IS ITS OWN COUNTRY!!!
SECEDE FROM THE UNION!!!
LONE STAR STATE!!!
REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!!
CONFEDERATE STATES!!!!(not too proud of this but w/e)
MEXICANS EVERYWHERE!!!!!
GERMAN AND CZECH BEERS!!!!
MEXICAN BEERS!!!!!
DEERS...!
THE WILD WEST!!!!
LOTS OF FARMLAND!!!!
COMANCHE RIDERS!!!!

I read through all the american DLC events there's so much that I saw in there some making the usa pretty tough
yearly pres +1 til until 1821
tax +10 interest per annum -2 until1821
+2 unrest +10 global settler<--- That's one basically switches out a national idea although if im correct you can turn that offer down.
something with 4 choices,one that gives +1 unrest til 1821 and no positive effect and one that gives +10 morale to armies and -10 spy defence. I don't remember the others... that one is probably the best tradeoff < this one is the tradeoff event, all modifiers last until 1821
slavery in the usa with province modifiers or stability cost...
another event for prestige but this time +2 prestige until 1821
^ these events do have specified dates though, some time around the 1700's or 1780's

I guess this combined with my new national ideas may make the usa a bit op. but like I said before a bunch of other countries got juicy events which give them really powerful buffs til the end of the game too not to mention with already powerful ideas as it is... France... + the national ideas of the usa now and my suggestion are currently a mumbo jumbo of many things so who knows really.

Sorry for the constant editing
But thanks for some feedback that isn't "other nations could use more flavor"
 
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Just give America back the American Republic.
 

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That doesn't even make sense in context. Are you 6?

???
Whether China is in depth is irrelevant to the thread
And your only other argument is that anyone who wants more flavor for the US is a "zenophobe"
Most places need flavor, hell even Europe is awful still (Romania is Slavic? What the hell?), but this thread is about the US.
 

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Actually freedom has boundaries. Your freedom ends where another's one begin.
We'll give 'em more freedom. THE ENTIRE WORLD MUST ME COVERED IN STARS AND STRIPES, GO MURCIA!!!!!! *an eagle soars with explosions in the background*