Suggestions regarding Valencia for upcoming patch 1.28

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As we know, the next patch will add the kingdom of Valencia in the game. For that reason I want to make a few suggestions to the Paradox Developers for its ideas, events, goods, etc. so it doesn’t come to be a copy of Aragon or Catalonia, as Valencia has its own unique history in the period Europa Universalis IV covers.

IDEAS

Traditions:

-20% Galley Cost

+10% Garrison Recovery

Ideas:

1 Legacy of the Cid: +5% discipline

Centuries ago the Cid conquered Valencia and its neighbour lands, defeating the muslims who tried to recover the city, even if it ultimately failed when he died. Now that Valencian lands are Christian again, we must reclaim his memory to encourage our troops in the battle.

2 Golden age of Valencian art: +0’5 prestige per year

XV and XVI centuries marked the peak of art in Valencia: famous writers, as Joanot Martorell and Ausiàs March, and painters, as José de Ribera, were born. Also, Valencia became one of the first places in Europe where Renaissance was adopted. If we support these new artists and forms of art, we will be viewed with respect by our neighbours.

3 Homeland of the Borgia: +1 Diplomatic Reputation

The Borja family (Italianised as Borgia), of humble origins, has become one of the most famous families in Europe thanks to the links they have with Rome and the Spanish king. If we can put them in our favour, they will facilitate the closing of many profitable treaties for Valencia.

4 Fortify our Lands!: +10% Fort Defence

Since Ancient times our enemies have seen with greed our rich country. Be it Hannibal, Muslims, el Cid, Castilians or Berber pirates, they all wanted the same: to conquer or plunder our lands. If we want to protect ourselves, we have to repair and improve our medieval castles and build new fortress in the coasts, so our enemies think it twice before attacking us!

5 Integrate the Moriscos: -20% Stability Cost

We are a Christian kingdom and Christian are our cities, but our rural population are Moriscos, former descendant of Muslims, now Christianised too… or that’s what they say to our priests. We must be sure they adapt to our customs and pay their due obedience to the Catholic Church to avoid any fifth columns between our people.

6 Genovese merchants: +15% Global Trade Power

The Genovese have been interested in our riches since long ago and they have installed in our most important cities and harbours. Let’s encourage this settlements so we take advantage of their contacts around Europe.

7 Increase our food production: -10% development cost

Almost all our lands are hilly and mountainous, so our countryside can’t produce enough food for our growing population. We must drain the marshes and improve our irrigation fields so we don’t depend of Sicilian grain anymore to keep off starvation.

Ambition:

+10% Institution spread

EVENTS

It could be added a few events regarding the arrival to the Papal throne of the Borgias Callixtus III and Alexander VI, which could maybe add some papal influence (let it be 5/10) or improve the relationship with the Papal States (+50) to whoever controls the province of Xàtiva in the years 1455 and 1492, respectively (with a MTTH of 12 months).

Also, it could be added one event regarding the Revolt of the Germanies (literally Brotherhoods in Valencian), when artisan guilds and peasantry rebelled against the emperor Charles V and nobility when they tried to revoke their privilege of having weapons to defend themselves against the Berber pirates. The burghers tried to create a republic in an Italianised style, but they failed as they couldn’t made an united front and control the peasants, who began to kill and forcibly baptize Muslims. That could be represented in an event in which you have to choose between:

- Let’s be faithful to the king: causes 5 unrest for 3 years in all Valencia area and spawn 6 peasant rebels in Valencia province.

- Long live the Republic!: becomes an oligarchic republic, causes 7 unrest in all Valencia area for 3 years and spawns 8 noble rebels in Valencia province.

If you’re not playing with Kingdom of Valencia (be it Castile, Aragon or any Christian country who conquers the province of Valencia) the event should consist in +5 unrest in Valencia area and spawn 8 peasant rebels in Valencia province.

The event should spawn in 1519 with a MTTH of 48 months.

Finally, it can be added the expulsion of the Moriscos. You could choose between:

- Expulse them and repopulate the land with true Christians: giving you +10 prestige and 0’5 years income immediately and -33% development cost for 25 years, but also reducing by one third the development of the provinces of Valencia, Xàtiva and Alicante (Castellon was not as populated with Moriscos as the rest) immediately and a +50% Stability increase cost for 25 years.

- Let them live in peace: causes -25 prestige immediately and 7 unrest and -2 tolerance to true faith for 25 years.


GOODS

If I remember well, the goods nowadays are Paper for Valencia and Wine for Alicante. As the provinces of Xàtiva and Castellón are going to be added, I recommend to be it like this:

- Castellon: Fish. Castellon had a lot of ceramics industry, but as this good is not represented in the game, we can add this one, as fishing is also important in the province (even nowadays).

- Valencia: Wine, Silk, Cloth or Grain. Wine is cultivated in the hilly interior and south of Valencia since ancient times along with olives. Silk was an important resource of Valencian economy, especially during the XVIII century, before they were disbanded by Lyonese low prices and a disease killed all mulberries in the XIX century, replacing them with the famous oranges. Cloth is because Valencia is an important regional producer until nowadays (if not, look at the Fallas indumentary). Finally, Grain is because Valencia had an important production of Rice in the Júcar river mouth and Albufera, especially at XVIII century.

- Xàtiva: Paper, Silk or Sugar. Paper was an important good made in the city of Xàtiva until XX century. Silk was also as important there and the neighbour area, but hadn’t the importance of paper. Finally, Sugar was cultivated near Gandia, being one of the most important incomes of the Borja family in the XVI century.

- Alicante: Wine. I don’t see any special reason to change this, as wine is cultivated all around the province.

PROVINCE TERRAIN

Castellón: Mountains. Castellon is very mountainous, especially in the interior.
Valencia: Drylands/Farmlands. As a mediterranean land, the Valencian lands are not specially full of farms, so it should be drylands, but the region near Valencia and the Albufera are full of rice fields and the zones near the principal rivers are pretty cultivated too.
Xàtiva: Drylands/Hills. The region of Xativa is not as cultivated as the north, remaining pretty dry in comparition and its also pretty hilly.
Alicante: Mountains. Both the north and interior of the province of Alicante are pretty mountainous, so i would let it be like this.


VISUAL CHANGES

As a final suggestion, I would modify the form of the provinces so they have a form like in this image:


Divisi%C3%B3n_administrativa_del_Reino_de_Valencia_durante_los_siglos_XIV_a_XVII.png

I think that's all. If you had something to add or to discuss, be free to say it!
PD: Sorry for my english, is not my native language
 
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@Le_Moustaché, I read a Wikipedia about the event that Valencia was the first kingdom to install a movable printing press. Do you think it should have the event which increases a chance of printing press institution appear at Valencia?

Yeah, it could be. But that's for Paradox to decide ;)



Well, @neondt was just the first to say something in this thread, and it was to say it was cool and they were going to use some of the ideas I mentioned, so I consider it a pretty big success for my very first thread in the Paradox Forum. And they listen to the fans. Just look in the 9th October Dev Diary: the fans remarked the fail with the Lleida province localisation and they resolved it. Or people asked for a Kingdom of Majorca and they are valuing to include it on the game. It's true they could talk more on the forums, but then they wouldn't be working because of the thousands of threads and discussions :p

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Well, I did this because as a Valencian historian and the nº1 fan of Paradox in the region (sorry other valencian fans! :p), I wanted to take advantatge of the opportuinity to improve this great game by giving my bit on the matter. But, hey, i dont mind if Paradox wants me to work with them and doing it for a salary :D
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How about a Legacy of El Cid NI for Valencia? +0.5 prestige and +5% land morale

Should be a +5% Discipline tbh, u must have high discipline to lead a cavalry charge and winning a battle while being dead.

This happened during the Siege of Valencia by muslim troops, on July of 1099. After being hit with an arrow, "El Cid" ordered that after his inminent death, they should embalm his body, and the day after, he should be mounted in his horse and sent to battle. The muslim troops, believing that he was dead, panicked and the siege was lifted. That gave Valencia 3 years more untill finally, the rulers decided to burn the city and run away, opening the city to muslim conquest.
 
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Thank you for @Le_Moustaché responding to me. You convinced me that they listen to the fun, but they do not act like it. I wrote a lot of suggestions in the past, but no official say anything too me. That is why I feel upsetting. Thank you for comforting me.
 

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Edited some changes suggested by the people and added the typus of terrain too, which I forgot.
Thank you for @Le_Moustaché responding to me. You convinced me that they listen to the fun, but they do not act like it. I wrote a lot of suggestions in the past, but no official say anything too me. That is why I feel upsetting. Thank you for comforting me.
No problem, mate. It's always nice to brighten someone's day.
 

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Some good ideas here. Will certainly use this for inspiration if I get time to implement Valencian national ideas :)

Welp, it seems that u certainly didnt used this thread as inspiration for Valencian ideas. The Devs just did a copy-paste of catalonian ideas on Valencian ones. +800 years of our history neglected like this in this so-called Iberian Inmersion Patch.

I've been a customer of Paradox for so many years, yet this is the first DLC i will not actually buy, even if it gets discount. No actual quality content on Iberia, but in surrounding areas and the main colonies. Honestly, it hurts to see your motherland (both Spain and Valencia) in this state after patch release.
 

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- Alicante: Wine. I don’t see any special reason to change this, as wine is cultivated all around the province.

Agree in everything but not this point,i thik salt is better for Alicante,i think you know the "salinas de torrevieja" they are producing there lot off tons off salt since the ancient times and they still produing lot off tons there in actual days

Valencian culture will be welcomed also

Sorry for my english too :D