Suggestions / Questions...

[unmerged(5206)]

Would it be possible to define the boundaries of the HRE with a black outline?

Also, is the Confederation of the Rhine going to be in EU2, and if so could it have a black outline as well?

 

[alvaro]

Now that you say that about the Confederation of the Rhine, Will we be able to call the Kingdom of Italy, Poland, Westpahlia, 2 Sicilies and Ottoman Empire as in EiA?

 

[Sir James]

If there is going to be a mechanism for forming Spain, for example, rather than just a Greater Castille (I don’t know if there is, just hope there might), then hopefully that mechanism will extend to Italy, the UK, possibly even Germany.

 

[Johan]

Originally posted by Fate
Would it be possible to define the boundaries of the HRE with a black outline?

Is the bright red outline in EU1 not visible enough?

 

[alvaro]

What happend in Spain was actually more a royal marriage between equals (still a girl and guy anyway ) rather than a diplo-annexation. Actually the 2 kingdoms were pretty independent from each other until Phillip II and then they started to melt slowly. And there should be a (little) chance to add Navarre and Portugal at the moment of the unification.

 

[celedhring]

Navarra

Historically, Navarra was military annexed.
But, certainly, the merging of nations into others poses a problem. I'd go with a solution similar that the one we have with rebel nations. In EU1 when rebels control a minimun provinces assigned to a rebel nation, that nation is created and becomes independent. We can do something similar: if one nation gets to control a minimun provinces of a "merged nation" the player is given the option to change his nation for this new one. Better with an example
Player A plays as Castille. He gets to control Gerona, Catalonia, Valencia, The Balearic Islands and Aragon. But he still doesn't control Grenada or Navarra. The player is the given the option to create the "kingdom of Spain". He can receive a lot of VP's for doing it, and perhaps some other benefits, like giving the rank of national provinces to the conquered provinces or a stability boost. If he further conquers other historically Spanish territories (Navarra and Grenada, Portugal could be discussed) those can be also added to the kingdom and also receive the national province status.
What do you think?

 

[unmerged(5131)]

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Originally posted by Johan


Is the bright red outline in EU1 not visible enough?

well it is visable but some of the territories were labeled HRE but not in that boundary. So when I do a mission keep poland out of the HRE even if poland has no territories in that boundary I still loose that mission.

Oh by the way, if you can maybe label what geographic location each province is so when I get a mission saying keep turkey out of central europe I know which province is central europe and which is not without having to open the provinces.cvs file

 

[celedhring]

I think the HRE is okay as it is defined now. But, definitely, other regions should be clearly defined in an secondary map. I never take "keep X out of X" because I have no way to know which provinces belong to that area.

 

[unmerged(5206)]

Yeah, I could never tell what territories were HRE, and Confederation of the Rhine SHOULD be added since it's what the HRE became after Napoleon conquered the area. Maybe you could have an option to dissolve the HRE after you've conquered a significant area of it, and then establish the Confederation of the Rhine, which would be a friendly vassal.

 

[celedhring]

Confederation of the Rhine

I don't think it should be included, it would only exist for a very few years and it was just a trick of Napoleon to weaken Austria. Napoleon just stripped the occupied territory from Austria and reorganized it so the ruling nobility was kind to him.

 

[unmerged(5206)]

Well 15 years may be short, but the HRE was dead and no longer around. At the very least Austria and Prussia shouldn't be able to be elected Emperor of HRE between the years of 1805-1820

 

[State Machine]

I'm still working on the red outline versus the black outline. Isn't the problem is that the diplo (or religion) screen doesn't correctly show what provinces are currently in the HRE? The problem is not the color of the outline...

 

[alvaro]

Though it's true that the confederation of the Rhine existed only for a bunch of years, it did existed and wasn't the same as the HRE. So I think it should be in the game.
Navarre was a military annexation, but though the court had more french tendencies, the people were not really against the union of the peninsula as you can check on many text on the XV century. It's like Portugal, the court might not like specially the idea of peninsular unification but the people were very entusiastic (at least the people who left written proof of their thoughs).
celedhring,
I am not sure to be understanding too well the system you say for unification of nations, but it sounds fine. What do you mean with 'controlling'?
About Granada, well, I don't really see Boabdil El Chico willing to marry Isabel de Castilla.

 

[celedhring]

Ferdinand the Catholic had dinastic claims for Navarra (his father John was also king of Navarra). It was a bit of diplo/military annexation. For Granada, both Castilla and Aragon had been warring the moslem Spain since 800 a.C. so Castilla can be at war at 1419(since Aragon stopped going south at Murcia), with Aragon joining them with the 1479 dinastic alliance.
I am sure Paradox will make the 1479 alliance with some of this fancy new evens, giving you the choice of marrying or not marrying with the other Iberic ruler. If you do, Spain will be created later (you inherit the other kingdom) in the game. If not, Aragon will be going around quite a lot (and since it will hold Naples, Sicily and Corsica, it will not be a disposable power). I'm just thrilled to see what would happen in Europe without the Spanish juggernaut...

 

[unmerged(3627)]

Originally posted by alvaro
Though it's true that the confederation of the Rhine existed only for a bunch of years, it did existed and wasn't the same as the HRE. So I think it should be in the game.

What makes you think that just because it happened to appear once, it must necessarily appear under any conceivable set of circumstances? The mechanism is already there - you can militarily vassalise nations (so I hear) and if you do so to half the states of Germany, there you go. Then you can call it whatever you feel like. On the other hand if nobody ever bothers to do it, the HRE might survive up to and well beyond the 1820 end of the game.

 

[alvaro]

I understand your point Heyesey, but IMO the CoR had a different administrative form. It wasn't but a confederation of vassals of France that were not accepting the rights of the HR emperor anymore. So it was actually a disolution of the HRE.
In the game, it could work aproximately well without changing anything, but you have to reckon that it's not going to be the same, ain't it?

 

[celedhring]

Yeah, I think we should avoid hardcoding too much events that could come simply by the flow of the game. You can encourage them via events (specially with the new, more complex, events) but doing something like the Netherlands uprising (damn, why don't they simply make them independent in 1580, we'll end sooner! I still don't know why I always try to fight a +50 revolt risk coming from nowhere). For example, a country defeating the Empire in a war can ask (with a huge amount of stars) that the Empire is to be dissolved. Or, as told above, if you vassalize militarily a lot of them you can force them out of the Empire, which automatically dissolves if it loses a given amount of provinces... things like these.